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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:07 AM
Subject: Strange!!!

The "True" church that uses a "false" bible version. It truly doesn't get any stranger than that. I hope this is not the "True Church"


Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

And what is the true Bible version according to you? By the way (FYI), we also read the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. We do not rely solely on the NKJV translation.
We usually get emails like yours from people who think the KJV is the only true version. You can see what we have written on that controversy at We are certainly all for whatever is true, but we don't follow that folly (KJV only), because we want what is true; and there is serious flaw in that reasoning (as given in our article).
May I ask you a question (if you believe the KJV is the true version)? Do you believe the 1611 KJV is accurate when it capitalizes "God" in Deuteronomy 3:24 (current KJV also); 32:12; Psalm 81:9 (2x); Daniel 4:8 (compare to Daniel 1:2); 11:38 ("a God whome his fathers knew not"); Habakkuk 1:11; Malachi 2:11; Acts 7:43; 2 Corinthians 4:4 ("God of this world"); Philippians 3:19 (current KJV also)? Do you believe these passages refer to the God of the Bible? If not, how do you explain the 1611 KJV capitalization of "God" in these passages, when elsewhere they use the lower case for false gods (e.g. in Genesis 31:30, 32; 35:2, 4; Exodus 12:12; etc.)?
Finally, I have yet to have anyone respond with any substance (Biblical correction, 2 Timothy 2:24-26; 2 Corinthians 10:3-5). We'll see how you respond.

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

"Finally, I have yet to have anyone respond with any substance "  I find it hard to believe you found something the 47 top brilliant scholars of England missed.These verses are correctly translated. Where you see error I see deeper truth. I would go back and study these passages BELIEVING they are perfect.

Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. KJV

Daniel 11:38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.NKJV

"Daniel 11:38 —The verse causes a heart attack among the apostates who translated the NIV, NASV, and NKJV. To make sure that no contemporary application can be made, “in the updated language of the common man,” the revision committees (CEV, NIV, NEB, NWT, RV, RSV, NRSV, ASV, NRSV, and NKJV) all got rid of the “God of forces” (see Star Wars) and created, out of thin air (or swamp muck), “a god of fortresses.” What in the name of heaven would THAT mean? Not even the perverters of Scripture (see Jer. 23:36) could exposit their own substitute “bible” after they manufactured it. With Satan as “the prince of the power of the air,” and his prophet able to control the electrical elements of lightning (Rev. 13:13), and “the force be with you” showing up in 1980, and Satan “falling as lightning from heaven” (Luke 10:18), what did these monkeys do? They eliminated, in one stroke, a Scriptural truth that had application to the twentieth century. It is only found preserved in the seventeenth century, AV 1611. The new ones were three hundred years out of date—archaic. The AV translators chose to capitalize “God,” where normally only the true God is capitalized. Their reason for doing this was simple: they had more sense than the men behind the RV, RSV, and NRSV. They knew the Bible better than the men behind the ASV, NASV, and NIV. They were more spiritual than the men who translated the NKJV, NEB, NWT, and “Living” Mess. You see, the Antichrist professed to be the true God (see 2 Thess. 2): he, himself, personally. The supreme “God” of the physical forces of the material universe—not spiritual—is the Devil, and the Man of Sin will be the Devil incarnate. He gets his power from his “God” (see Rev. 13:1–8). This is not the “God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” but the “God” of the magnetic, electronic force field, of which the physicists had so much to say. There are “gods” in this force field (see Eph. 6:10–12, Isa. 24:21). The supreme one (“God of forces”) is Satan. Always correct the Hebrew and the Greek with the English. The quickest way to have the Holy Spirit teach you the Bible is to ELIMINATE the Greek and Hebrew scholars everytime you open the Bible. God will always honor this procedure."

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

Thank you. That's an interesting twist. So, even though you acknowledge it is a false god that is being spoken of, the KJV uses the term for the true God nonetheless. That same argument could be used for every case in which a false god is being spoken, since when do those who believe in such a god (or "God") think their own "God" is false? What you fail to see is that the translators in using "God" for a false god make God Himself call this false god "God." It is not a quote from a pagan claiming his "God" to be real, but it is a statement from God Himself. Thus, the translators make God Himself call this false god a "God."
Nonetheless, in the Hebrew there is no such lower case or capitalization distinction. Your quote makes a big deal out of something that is not even there in the Hebrew, and attributes great wisdom to men that is not even found in Scripture; but rather only in man's head that is not in the actual Hebrew (Scripture) text. But, with this statement:
"Always correct the Hebrew and the Greek with the English"
I can see you are open to some seriously foolish thinking. That's about as brain dead as claiming Jesus spoke in English. I would like to see such a concept supported in Scripture. Of course, it is not. English is not even mentioned in the entire Bible (KJV or otherwise), but you make this claim anyway. I can see you think nothing of adding to God's word (Proverbs 30:5-6) and using a standard that is not found therein (breeching Matthew 7:1-2). The sky is the limit on such interpretation. You might as well tell me 50 foot tall 10 legged aliens with 5 heads inhabit the moon on Monday afternoons and I am supposed to believe you.
Sorry to see you so deceived. You will certainly perish, as you "loveth and maketh a lie" (Revelation 22:15).

From: Christopher Eckels
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

I say my Bible is the perfect preserved word of God without error. You believe God's word has error. And I am going to hell; Wow now that is scary. I definitely hear the hiss of the old serpent.


From: Darwin Fish
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:30 PM
To: Christopher Eckels
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

Hypocrite! You reject God's Word. You're the one who wrote, "correct the Hebrew . . .". Correct = correct the error. You obviously believe God's word in Hebrew and Greek has error. Yet, it is the Hebrew and Greek from which they translated. God will judge you according to your words (Matthew 12:36-37).
From: Christopher Eckels
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:04 PM
To: Darwin Fish
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

Correcting - meaning when men who do not know Greek and Hebrew try to use it to correct the preserved English Scriptures.These men use it in error and since there is no 1 perfect Greek and Hebrew Scriptures. The Translators of the KJV used more than just Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. That is how they got 1 John 5:7 when modern versions reject it. So when men say 1 John 5:7 does not belong as well as other verses, we correct them with the BOOK.

The BOOK (KJV) is always right.
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

"Correcting - meaning when men who do not know Greek and Hebrew try to use it to correct the preserved English"
That's not correcting "the Hebrew and Greek." That is correcting English with English.
"These men use it in error"
Do you know Hebrew and Greek? If not, how do you know if "These men use it in error"? Do you simply believe whatever you are told (Proverbs 14:15)? I know Hebrew and Greek and I know indeed, sometimes, they do use it in error (e.g. John MacArthur, see under III. Directly Against The Word, Deuteronomy 21:15-17; Hebrews 7:3 -
Also, I would love to see you "correct" my translation of Joshua 24:19 ("He is Holy Gods"; from your knowledge of Hebrew. Please explain to me from the Hebrew language how that does not say, "He is Holy Gods" as I have translated. I have yet to see anyone deal with that with any integrity, because I know Hebrew and I know it can't be done; but I'd love to see you try.

From: Christopher Eckels
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:28 PM
To: Darwin Fish
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

First what Hebrew text do you use?
From: Darwin Fish
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:47 PM
To: Christopher Eckels
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

The same as the KJV.

Why do you not answer my questions? I see that all the time from people who avoid and reject the Truth.

From: Christopher Eckels
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:07 PM
To: Darwin Fish
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

Thanks for your time. I will trust 47 of the Worlds greatest Scholars of the KJV over you. This has become silly now. Yes I know Hebrew and Greek but I do not use it to correct the Perfect Book. Remember the KJB Bible is always right. And I definitely do not believe "I" could translate something better than those 47 men. That would be the height of arrogance. When a man says that he is not even worth listening to. By
From: Darwin Fish
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:43 PM
To: Christopher Eckels
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

I write this at least for our church who reads these emails:
This is so typical, as we see all the time. They (who know not Christ) don’t answer the questions, and they run when confronted with the Truth. This man's trust is obviously in man, as he wrote,
I will trust 47 of the Worlds greatest Scholars of the KJV over you.
These words will condemn this man on the day of judgment (Matthew 12:36-37). He admits here his trust is in man. Thus, he is under the curse of Jeremiah 17:5. He trusts "the Worlds greatest Scholars." The world "scholars" of Jesus' day were wicked (Matthew 23:13 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees") and kept people from the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 23:13). So it is with these men and this man. They are indeed "the Worlds" as it is written,

They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. (1 John 4:5)

From: Christopher Eckels
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:44 AM
To: Darwin Fish
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

So you admit then there is no perfect Bible you can hold in your hand. God's word has error in it and that you are a better translator then the KJV translators since you have fixed their error?

From: Darwin Fish
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:08 AM
To: Christopher Eckels
Subject: Re: Strange!!!

Why do you continue to avoid a discussion of the Hebrew text of Joshua 24:19 ("He is Holy Gods")? You claim to know Hebrew. This should be easy. The Hebrew is very simple.
"God's word has error in it"
That's not what I believe. I believe the Hebrew (God's Word). But, you, on the other hand, believe God's Word (the Hebrew) has error in it. You reject the Hebrew in favor of the translation of men who correct it in their English translation (according to your standard), since you believe the KJV English translation of Joshua 24:19 ("he is an holy God" KJV) and reject the Hebrew text ("He is Holy Gods"). If you believed the Hebrew (God's Word), and believed it to be without error, you would believe "He is Holy Gods" (Joshua 24:19), just as the Hebrew says (and says elsewhere). But, since your trust is in men (Jeremiah 17:5), in "the Worlds greatest Scholars" (as you admitted), you accept their words and reject God's Word in the Hebrew. Thus, by your practice you believe God's word has error in it.
Yes, I believe men are capable of error when they translate (as you do). I do not believe God has error in His Word (Psalm 12:6-7). You likewise believe men are capable of error when they translate (e.g. NIV, etc.). But, you have been taught by men to think this does not apply to "the Worlds greatest Scholars." But, you do not realize,

men of high degree are a lie (Psalm 62:9 KJV).

You are under a strong delusion. God's Word teaches no such thing as you believe. But you believe it, because men have deceived you. The Bible actually warns you about men, "scholars" in particular (e.g. Matthew 23:13), that they are liars (Psalm 14:1-3; Romans 3:13). His Word He has promised to keep pure (Psalm 12:6-7). He has not promised to keep man's translation of it pure (as you well acknowledge by your rejection of other translations). But, you have been deceived into thinking this does not apply to the KJV. That deception has not come from the teaching of the Word of God, but rather from the word of men, and you have been spoiled by it (Colossians 2:8).
May God have mercy on you and save you from the deceit of this age.

In response to the above emails:

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Galilee

It is utterly amazing that this guy says "Remember the KJB Bible is always right."
Good night, I immediately asked myself, when reading it, "Says WHO?!?!?!?!?"
He speaks of arrogance? How arrogant is it to believe that only when the great English language was used was the Bible translated perfectly?!
He then points to 47 men that he absolutely does not know, but he says they are "scholars", based on nothing but what someone else tells him.
Sounds like he worships a translation, rather than God.  I would like to know, exactly, what makes him believe those 47 men were trustworthy...these "great, godly scholars", if I am not mistaken, belonged to a group (Anglicans) that practiced sprinkling "holy" water and called it "Baptism", and they performed such on infants (if the historical records are correct, that is).  Where does their great KJV teach that, or ever teach that water can, or needs to, be "sanctified" by priests?  Would he admit that he is trusting in the "scholarship" of people involved in unbiblical practices?
Most people who take that guy's view on the KJV are "independent baptists" that teach immersion in water as baptism, and that it is only for "believers".  I wonder if he would say these "godly, great scholars" who believed that were right in so believing, and if he would disagree, what would be their authority?. guys get all kinds of people emailing you!

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Galilee

In John 7:52, the Pharisees claim that no prophet has arisen out of Galilee. Were they not in error on that?  I read somehwere that at least 2 of the OT prophets were from Galilee. Can you help?

Darwin Fish
To: chrismann3030
Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Galilee

See the question in John 7:41 and the answer in Isaiah 9:1-2 & Matthew 4:13-16. It's ironic. The very point they made actually, if anything, proved just the opposite of their claim. The fact that He was from Galilee should have given them even more reason to believe Him, not less.
We see this kind of ironic logic used commonly against us. For example, people conclude we must be in error because there are so few of us. Yet, God has warned them that is actually a mark of those in the truth (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24) and just the opposite is a mark of those who are not in truth (Matthew 7:13-14, "many"; 21-23 "many"; 2 Peter 2:2 "many").

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Galilee

Excellent point.  And when you think about it, the same could be said when people reject what you try to teach.  They point to the "big names" in religion today, and in like manner to the logic of the Pharisees in v 48 (Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believe in Him?). Where as the Pharisees seem to point to their "accepted authority", the same is done when you mention the "accepted authority" of today (i.e. Charles Stanley, John MacArthur, Billy Graham, etc).  People instantly dismiss (usually) what you say not based on the Scriptural content, but because you dare challenge the accepted authority of the religious "rulers" of this time - the ones that sell books and draw crowds. 
Seems like a very similar mindset...don't dare challenge the "great scholars". A old friend of mine responded with that mindset when I sent him a link to your article about Billy Graham.  He said that your position would be laughed out of most seminaries and Bible colleges because everyone knows the great "work" of Billy Graham.  He rejected every single Scripture cited based on Graham's "accepted authority". He even went so far as to defend Graham by suggesting that he is now old, and his mind has deteriorated due to a possible degenerative disease (so, in order to continue accepting Graham's "authority", he tried to manufacture the possibility of an undiagnosed physical ailment...just so he could still view Graham as the "authority", who did "years of great work for God"). 
I do not intend to carry on,but my point is just that the logic used then reminds me of the logic used now.  Don't believe the one citing the Word...just trust in what the "authorities" on the matter tell you.

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject: your work

We are on in the same army, we have the same enemy- Satan. I am saddened by your attempt to discredit Rick Warren's work in The Purpose Driven Life. He is not the enemy, Satan is. When we (Christians, FOLLOWERS of Christ) tear each other down and try to discredit one another, Satan wins another victory.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Phil 4:8
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: your work

You naively fail to understand and believe the Word of God that tells us Satan's "ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). You are fooled by Satan's minister (Warren) as he has transformed himself into a minister of righteousness. Satan's trick has been successful on you.
If you were saved and truly believed the Bible, you would not be so fooled (Proverbs 14:15). This is why we have written our report on Warren, so that you might not be fooled by him, and that you might be saved. But, you believe not the Word of God set forth in our report. Thus, you are deceived and on your way to hell, because you are "unbelieving" (Revelation 21:8).
We have put forth "whatever is true" (etc., Philippians 4:8) in our report, and you have failed to point out a single thing that is not true. You condemn our work by claiming we are not to speak against a minister of Satan. You claim he is not. We know he is, and our report proves it. If you contend (Jude 3) otherwise, then you need to show via the Word of God (not your opinion) that what we have said is not true. Simply discarding our report based on the assumption Warren is a man of God shows just how shallow your "faith" is. The Bible warns they "secretly bring in destructive heresies" (2 Peter 2:1). You have failed to deal with the heresies we expose (in accordance with Ephesians 5:11). Thus, your argument holds no water.
Finally, I have written this in love for your soul. We desperately want you to be saved. Therefore, I have written to you as to a friend ("faithful are the wounds of a friend," Proverbs 27:5-6) and not in flattery ("the kisses of an enemy" Proverbs 27:6). May the Lord have mercy on you and save you from the deceit of this age.
Luke 13:24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able."

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:15 AM

Subject: Re: your work


From: Matt Davis
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:43 AM
Subject: who jesus really is

On your statement of faith you must have faith in the testimony of who Jesus really is. How much about him must you believe to be saved? You can keep on learning more and more about the word as you read the bible and hear preachers, but when is it exactly that you believe enough about him to "have faith in the true jesus"?

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: who jesus really is

Abraham was saved and he simply believed, "So shall your descendants be" (Genesis 15:5-6; Romans 4:3). It is not a matter of how much. It is a matter of where. Where is the trust (faith). If it is in what God says, and only in what God says (Proverbs 4:27a), therein is salvation (Matthew 4:4; John 1:1; 14:6).

A test in doctrine reveals where the trust is. Those who truly trust what God says (and no other) heed whatever the Word says (John 8:47). Those who claim to have faith in God, but heed not His word, prove themselves to be liars (1 John 2:4). Doctrine separates the sheep from the goats (2 John 9; 1 John 4:6).

In a previous email, the writer below argued we could not judge (as we do) and also made it a matter of righteousness for a husband to have life insurance.


Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: A question

Why does the Lord take 7 years for the tribulation (Which should start somewhere between 2023 and 2030 if you ascribe to the jewish cosmic week)? Why not just be done with it all? He has the power. Why the 7 years? And Revelation is not a party you want to be here for (As if you didn't know that already) So why the seven years instead of like the flood. Sudden and decisive.


I do firmly believe a husband and father is responsible for his wife and family. He is to take care of their needs sometimes with his life as payment. When the Bible was written there was nothing like life insurance but we do live in a different age now. Life insurance for the believer can be found for a cheap price. I pay $1.60 per month for $100,000 accidental death or disability insurance. I would think even a poor man can give up $1.60 to provide for his family after he is gone or would you suggest that his family has to do whatever they need to in order to survive? I know poor men that get more than that from collecting cans on the side of the road each week. (The items listed are paid for) They have their home, vehicles, cows, and goats but still get the income from picking up cans.

Also you do point out my hypocrisy. I am a very blessed person as I have found and married my soulmate and wife. I tend to think of most husbands being so blessed. I am not a fan of most husbands not looking out for their family in case they die. I hold my vows and responsibilities very dear and close. I will pay the price for being a judge and I accept that but I still work to encourage those men to look out for their family.You or I can not say what a mother will do to provide for her children. That is a bond we will never fully understand. I would never want to put my wife in the position to do something just for the children. If you have a good, strong community then the wife can be helped But let us look at the reality of the world. There are very few communities like that. If you live in one you are truely blessed. If you died today what would happen to your wife and family? I choose not to let that be a thing of ponderance in this day and time. I know the inheritance I leave behind will provide for my family in this time.

I do appreciate your replys to my email and respect your belief. I will send more emails once I have completed my research. I bid you well and my prayers go forth to protect and nourish your family.

The engineermerc

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: A question

You asked, "Why does the Lord take 7 years for the tribulation".

It is not 7 years. That is a false doctrine nowhere taught in holy writ. The tribulation (Matthew 24:15-21; Revelation 7:14) is 3 1/2 years (e.g. Daniel 12:11; Revelation 11:3; 12:6; 13:5). But, why He takes that long is hidden in His ways (Romans 11:33), except to say He cut it short (Matthew 24:22). He does as He pleases (Psalms 115:3).

"(Which should start somewhere between 2023 and 2030 if you ascribe to the jewish cosmic week)"

Only if you ascribe to foolishness. Jesus is very clear. No one knows (Mark 13:33 "you do not know when the time is"). It is so unknowable He warns He comes when even believers "do not expect" (see Matthew 24:44).

"I do firmly believe a husband and father is responsible for his wife and family."

Indeed (1 Timothy 5:8), but just exactly how, as you have mandated (life insurance) by your man-made standard (Matthew 7:1-2), Scripture does not teach (Proverbs 30:5-6).

"When the Bible was written there was nothing like life insurance"

Says who? God? He says no such thing. How do you know "there was nothing like life insurance"? Were you around all those hundreds of years during which it was written? Scripture dictates just the opposite of your claim.

That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new "? It has already been in ancient times before us. (Ecclesiastes 1:9-10)

"$100,000 accidental death or disability insurance"
"I know the inheritance I leave behind will provide for my family in this time."

If the "inheritance" you speak of is the "$100,000 accidental death or disability insurance" plan, then - NO YOU DON'T. There is no way you could know such a thing.

Either way (whether you speak of an insurance policy or some other physical inheritance), it's evident where your trust is (in man and in material wealth, Jeremiah 17:5; Proverbs 11:28). God is the only place any trust ("I know") can be properly placed. He has promised to provide, if we do our part (see Matthew 6:25-33). A life insurance plan is not mandated in the equation Christ gives in Matthew 6:25-33.

Furthermore, there is no guarantee the life insurance company will even be in existence when you die (James 4:14). Your investment could all be wasted into nothing. Also, that $100,000 could be worthless by the time you die, especially in light of all the inflating (making "money" out of thin air) the FED has done lately (and there seems to be no end in sight with the present government).

Furthermore, I am not saying it is unlawful to have life insurance (1 Corinthians 6:12). The Bible doesn't teach that either. But, your man-made requirement of it, and your trust therein, is what is unlawful (against the law of Christ, the Word, Scripture).
"If you died today what would happen to your wife and family?"

God would take care of them. The inheritance I have purposed to leave with them is Matthew 6:25-33 (Psalm 41:1-3; etc.). I know if they do this (after I am gone), they will be taken care of. This does not mean I am foolish with what I have. I fear God and am very concerned about using God's resources wisely (knowing I would go to hell if I lived otherwise, Luke 16:10-12).

Finally, if it is the natural consequence of being faithful before God in which a man is given riches (Proverbs 10:4; 22:2) and when he dies his family inherits those riches, then he is giving them nothing new they didn't already have. But, on the other hand, a life insurance policy can dump a great deal of new riches suddenly upon a family that wasn't previously there. Since I know and pray the wisdom found in Proverbs 30:8-9, I have no such desire for my family after I am gone. I don't want them to be found, after I am gone, saying, "Who is the Lord?" That's the direct opposite of the reason for life (Romans 14:7-8; Colossians 1:16) and my utmost goal for them (Proverbs 11:30).