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From: Michael .
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Invitation to speak at Bible Study Tonight
 
Mr. Fish,
Thank You so much for participating in our class.
I am very interested in your opinion of the meeting last night.
I look forward to your response.
-Michael

Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Invitation to speak at Bible Study Tonight
 
I was not impressed. It became a monologue, not an interview, and I began to wonder why I was even asked to come onto the show. You had written in your email,
I would like you to begin the discussion on your statement: "All of the world's religions (e.g. Protestantism, Catholicism,
Mormonism, JW's, Seventh Day Adventism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, etc.) lead to nowhere but hell."
I was ready to do so, but the teacher (don’t remember if I got his name) obviously wasn’t interested.
 
I spoke very little at the beginning, and then he rambled on for about an hour and a half going all over the place (different issues); and it took him about an hour (or more) to finally get back to the issue I had raised about the Bible and the Quran teaching opposite things, for example, about God’s Son. And, even in that, he never explained how the Quran teaches God does not have a Son, and the Bible does, and how those can supposedly both be true. He went to Malachi 4:2 which indeed speaks about the Sun of Righteousness, but that says nothing about the Bible teaching God has begotten a Son, and the Quran says He has not. Introducing the concept that God is called a Sun (as He is as well in Psalm 84:11) does not say anything about the complete opposite teachings of the Bible and the Quran regarding the only begotten Son.
 
I tried to be polite and let him speak, but he went on and on. So, a couple times I attempted to interrupt, so we could at least have some dialogue; but he just kept speaking. So, I finally hung up a little after 10pm, because I was tired and I wanted to go to bed. There were others in our church who were listening too, but they also got tired of the monologue and stopped listening
 
In his discourse, he went to Ezekiel 2:8-3:3 which says Ezekiel ate the scroll. The teacher said he did not eat the scroll. He said the exact opposite of what God said. That is a sign of a false teacher, as Satan did the same exact thing in the first recorded lie in Genesis 3:4. When God says one thing, and the teacher says the exact opposite, he is telling his audience to believe him and not God. That brings the curse of Jeremiah 17:5. The teacher did the same thing with Matthew 13:11. There Jesus said to the disciples, “it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.” But the teacher said it had not been given to them to know. Thus, he made Jesus out to be a liar, as it is written,
he who does not believe God has made Him a liar (1 John 5:10).
The teacher also claimed that all the messengers of God were God (Himself). Revelation 19:10 and 22:8-9 prove this to be false, since the messenger of God there utterly refused to be worshiped. God accepts worship (e.g. Mark 5:6; Luke 24:52; John 4:23; 9:38; Revelation 19:4; etc.), but true messengers of God do not, as Peter, Barnabas, and Paul all illustrate as well in Acts 10:25-26 and Acts 14:11-15.
 
The teacher also lied about Muhammad and spoke the exact opposite of the teaching of the Quran, even though he acknowledged the Quran was Muhammad’s teaching. He said Muhammad did not teach to be the aggressor with any man. That is simply a lie.

For example, at one point in the Quran a child is killed, because it is feared the youngster might grieve his parents through unbelief.

Then they proceeded: Until, when they met a young boy, he slew him. Moses said: "Hast thou slain an innocent person who had slain none? Truly a foul (unheard-of) thing hast thou done!" (S.18, A.74)

In this section of the Quran, Moses asks a servant of Allah if he can follow him so that he might learn "(Higher) Truth" (S.18, A.65-66). As Moses follows this servant, the servant slays this young boy and later gives the reason why.

As for the youth, his parents were people of Faith, and we feared that he would grieve them by obstinate rebellion and ingratitude (to Allah). So we desired that their Lord would give them in exchange (a son) better in purity (of conduct) and closer in affection. (S.18, A.80-81)

Here is some of the Quran's "(Higher) Truth." In this fable, Moses is correct. It was indeed a foul thing, and such foul wickedness is what the Quran teaches. You can see a few more examples of the violence the Quran promotes in contradistinction to the teaching of the Bible in my article on the Quran (https://atruechurch.info/quran.html) under V. Not A Peaceful Religion.

The teacher was a hypocrite, as he began the radio show claiming religious people are bigots. He used Jehovah Witnesses as an example, and said how they don’t sit down and discuss the issues. They just want to cram their teaching down you. Yet, that’s exactly what he did with me. He didn’t discuss much at all. I got, instead, over an hour and a half of monologue, not dialogue, a cram session, no discussion.
 
Finally, the teacher claimed to be the Son of God/the Son of Man/the Word of God, and said in this context,
When the Son of Man comes . . . I’m here.
The teacher is a liar. Jesus, the real Son of God, said,
Take heed that no one deceives you. "For many will come in My name, saying,`I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5)
He also said,
Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying,`I am He,' and,`The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. (Luke 21:8)
These words apply to our time in which we live right now, for the “great tribulation” (Matthew 24:21) has not hit yet. And, even when it does, Jesus warned,
Then if anyone says to you,`Look, here is the Christ!' or`There!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. (Matthew 24:23-24)
When the real Son of Man comes, Revelation lets us know that every eye will see Him.
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. (Revelation 1:7)
By this, and other Scriptures, we know the teacher who was on that radio program last night is a liar, a false Christ and a false God. All who believe him will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8 “idolaters”) and will suffer eternal torment there day and night (as in Revelation 20:10) forever and ever.


Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:45 PM
Subject: Please Explain Why
 
Why is your exegesis superior to that of others ? 
 
Thanks

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Please Explain Why
 
Any true believer will have a proper exegesis (characteristically) compared to any other unbeliever (though, they claim to be a believer, as in 1 John 2:4). See, for example, John 8:47. For an example of proper exegesis as compared to eisegesis, see my most recent article, “Paul Washer, A Passionate Imposter” ( https://atruechurch.info/paulwasher.html), particularly points II & III.


Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Question
 
P.S. do you believe that mentally sick people can go to heaven?

Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Question
 
That depends on what you mean by mentally sick. If it is the result of a “debased mind” (Romans 1:28), such people are not saved. For example, if a person is “mentally ill” being plagued with some kind of unreasonable phobia, this is a mark of a wicked (lost) person, as it is written,
The wicked flee when no one pursues, But the righteous are bold as a lion. (Proverbs 28:1)
If a person is manic depressive, being depressed regularly (characteristically) for no reason, but depressed nonetheless, this is the result of a debased mind (Romans 1:28), and a marker that they do not have the Holy Spirit. Having the Holy Spirit = having joy, among other things (Galatians 5:22-23). It also is a sign that they do not trust God’s Word (Christ), as it is written about those who do:
You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You, Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3)
God does not lie (Titus 1:2).
 
This does not mean they are without trials and struggles in life (Galatians 5:17), but they do know the “peace of God, which surpasses all understanding” (Philippians 4:6-7). Being manic depressive is the polar opposite of this. Such people do not know God, because this is what He declares about such matters and such people; and we believe Him. If we think otherwise, we are rejecters of His judgments (Psalm 119:158) and would perish with the world.


Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: Nice site.. only one thing bothered me...
 
 
You sure put in a lot of time and work on your site.. you must have great compassion for Souls.. may the Lord bless His work...
Y. Landreneau

Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Nice site.. only one thing bothered me...
 
Thank you for the email.
 
I looked at the web page you gave. Could I ask you a few questions regarding it?
 
How do you know “whales” (KJV) is the proper translation in Genesis 1:21, since the KJV translates this same Hebrew word elsewhere as “serpent/s” (Exodus 7:9-10, 12) and “dragon/s” (Deuteronomy 32:33; Psalm 74:13; 91:13; 148:7; Isaiah 27:1; 51:9; Jeremiah 51:34; Ezekiel 29:3)?
 
The web page claims the NKJV has “major blasphemy!” because it says, “you will be like God knowing good and evil”. Doesn’t God know good and evil (Romans 11:36)? The web page claims this statement equals “God (with a big G) is not evil!” How does “God knowing good and evil” = “God is evil”?
 
Regarding Genesis 22:8 the NKJV is actually more accurate than the KJV. The Hebrew more literally reads,
God will provide for Himself the lamb . . . .
Why would you think the KJV is to be preferred here, when it is not as accurate as the NKJV in this verse?
 
Regarding Daniel 3:25, the KJV has “God”. The NKJV has in a footnote “gods”. Yet, the Aramaic word here is indeed in the plural, and the KJV translates it as “gods” everywhere else in Daniel (see Daniel 2:11, 47; 3:12, 14, 18; 4:8-9, 18; 5:4, 11, 14, 23). Daniel 3:25 is the only place the KJV translates this plural noun as a singular noun. Why then do you think it is wrong to translate this plural noun as a plural noun in Daniel 3:25?
 
The web page faults the NKJV for translating a Hebrew word “worthless” in Zechariah 11:17, but the KJV translates this Hebrew word as “of no value” in Job 13:4. Is the KJV to be faulted for translating it this way in Job 13:4 as well? If not, what justifies the condemnation of the NKJV in Zechariah 11:17, but no condemnation for the KJV in Job 13:4 for doing the same thing (in meaning and principle)?
 
The web page faults the NKJV for translating a Greek word “inquired” in Matthew 2:4, but the KJV translates this Greek word as “enquired” in John 4:52, “enquire” in Acts 23:20 and “asked” in Luke 15:26; 18:36; Acts 4:7; 10:18; 23:19. Why is the NKJV condemned for doing what the KJV does (just in different verses)?
 
The web page faults the NKJV for translating a past tense verb (aorist indicative verb, Matthew 18:11) in the present perfect (“has come”) as opposed to the KJV’s present tense (“is come”). It is actually in the Greek, “came” (past tense). By what standard is the NKJV faulted here and the KJV exalted, since neither are totally accurate?
 
The web page faults the NKJV in John 1:3 for translating the Greek preposition δι᾽ (di) as “through” instead of “by” (KJV). Yet, the KJV translates this same exact Greek word as “through” just a few verses later in John 1:7 and even with the same exact concept as in John 1:3 in John 1:10. John 1:3 (KJV) says, “All things were made by Him”. John 1:10 (KJV) says, “the world was made through Him”. Don’t you think this is a bit hypocritical to condemn the NKJV for doing the exact same thing the KJV does?
 
The web page faults the NKJV in John 4:24 for not having the indefinite article “a”. There is no indefinite article (“a”) in John 4:24 in the Greek nor in the entire Greek New Testament. So, how can the NKJV be faulted for not putting something there that is not there?
 
I could ask more questions, but I will leave it to that for now. Since you wrote, could you please address these things?

Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Nice site.. only one thing bothered me...
 
but ... it is all academic.. some are statements and not questions.. and they all are mute when it comes down to.. 
It's a matter of trusting in the Lord... plain and simple...
Do you believe the Lord God is sovereign and all powerful and knew what He was doing when He gave those men the job of printing His word?
Do you believe that the Lord God did it correctly the first time or needed help in correcting it later..
Do you believe that He preserved and protected it?..
It's either all true the first time.. or not true at all
or we can all start making changes where we want.. Did you know that the other versions are copyrighted.. and that every new version has to be 30% different than the others by law.. so it's changed to meet legal requirements..

Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Nice site.. only one thing bothered me...
 
I was really hoping that you would answer my previous questions specifically. Nevertheless, would you answer these?
 
“It's a matter of trusting in the Lord... plain and simple...”
 
How am I not trusting in the Lord, if I decide to read the Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek and see the KJV translation is not accurate in any particular passage?
 
“Do you believe the Lord God is sovereign and all powerful and knew what He was doing when He gave those men the job of printing His word?”
 
Yes, as He is likewise with any translation of His Word.
 
“Do you believe that the Lord God did it correctly the first time”
 
What is “the first time”? If you refer to the 1611 KJV as the “first time,” the KJV is not the first English translation. So what do you mean by “first time”?
 
“or needed help in correcting it later”
 
Does this question apply to the Great 1539, or Geneva 1560, or Bishops' 1568? How do you answer your question with these in mind? Isn’t this what the KJV translators did, since these other Bibles existed already?
 
“Do you believe that He preserved and protected it?”
 
The Bible teaches He both preserves (Psalm 12:7) and people can pervert (Proverbs 30:5-6; 2 Peter 3:16; Revelation 22:18-19). How do you know when it has been preserved and when it has been perverted?
 
“It's either all true the first time.. or not true at all”
 
Where is this concept found in the Bible in regards to translation (the subject at hand)? That it’s either all or none?
 
“or we can all start making changes where we want”
 
Changing what? Isn’t that what the KJV translators did in light of the other English translations before them? What passage in the Bible gave them the right to do so, but we can not?
 
“Did you know that the other versions are copyrighted”
 
Some are, some are not (e.g. Webster 1833, Young 1862, mine).
 
Finally, may I ask by what Biblical standard are the KJV translators and their translation (1611) exalted above the English translators and their translations before them (e.g. Great 1539, Geneva 1560, Bishops' 1568)? By what Biblical standard (Matthew 7:2?) are the KJV translators and their translation exalted above the English translators and their translations after them? By what Biblical standard are the KJV translators and their translation exalted above any individual translator and his translation at any time, in the past, now, or in the future (e.g. Wycliffe 1394, Tyndale 1531, Coverdale 1535, Matthew 1537, Webster 1833, Robert Young [YLT] 1862, Jay P. Green 1985, or you or I)?


From: ED WITE
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 8:26 PM
Subject: False teachers
 
Anyone who calls Dr. Norman Geisler a false teacher, must be a cult member.
Which Christ denying church do you belong to ?.

 
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: False teachers
 
Since when is a fallen man the standard for truth (Jeremiah 17:5)? Does not the Bible warn us they are “among you” (2 Peter 2:1) and they have “crept in unnoticed” (Jude 3)? There is no possible way you have not noticed? Do you claim infallibility? Is your response similar to the Bereans (Acts 17:11), or Proverbs 18:13?
 
We belong to a true church (atruechurch.info, a small home church) that rejects the false Christ of Norman Geisler (proof given if so desired). That is, the false Christ who is the opposite of the real Christ. The real Christ is the theological narrow Way (Matthew 7:13-27; John 14:6 “I am the Way, the Truth . . .”; etc.). The false Christ of Norman Geisler is a theological broad way that accepts those who preach false gospels (unlike Paul, Galatians 1:8-9), like the false gospels of Calvinism and Arminianism.
 
As we state in our Statement of Faith, we reject the false Christ that is not the Scripture Himself (John 1:1; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't kill people (Revelation 2:23; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't hate people (Romans 9:13; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't destine people to hell (Romans 9:11-22; etc.). We reject the false Christ who didn't die for everyone (Hebrews 2:9; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't create people to destroy them (Proverbs 16:4; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't prevent people from being saved (Mark 4:10-12; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't cause people to sin (2 Samuel 12:11-12; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't cause bad things to happen (Isaiah 45:7 KJV; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn't deceive people (Ezekiel 14:9 KJV; etc.). We reject the false Christ who doesn’t cause everything to happen (Romans 11:36). We reject the false Christ who was not a human before John 1:14, who has not always been, God in the Flesh (Hebrews 13:8; Colossians 2:9), "slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8).
 
I am glad to see that you at least see there are indeed Christ denying churches. That’s why we “cult” members note (Romans 16:17) Dr. Norman Geisler as a false teacher. He denies “the Lord who bought” him (2 Peter 2:1), though “secretly” (2 Peter 2:1), and twists all of the Scriptures to his own destruction and the eternal doom of all who hear him (Proverbs 12:26; 17:4), just as the Scripture says men like him do (2 Peter 3:16). Sadly, men are deceived by Geisler, and there are “many” (as Matthew 7:21-23 depicts) like him, as the Scripture warns (2 Timothy 4:3 “heap”; 2 Peter 2:1-2; etc.).
 
Thank you for the email.

Some of the proof (if he were to ask) can be found, for example, in the video, "CALVINISM- 'Why I Am Not A 5 Point Calvinist' - By Dr. Norman Geisler (1 OF 9) (www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9n_NUoslp0) in which Geisler states both Calvinists and Arminians are saved. In part two Geisler denies total depravity (that man is utterly incapable of doing any good, like Jeremiah 13:23 says).
 
Norman Geisler is a very respected scholar (theologian) having published about 90 books (www.normgeisler.com/about/default.htm#BooksByNorm).


Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: comments
 
Yes, I very much believe the nature of God is of upmost importance, that is why I like this subject. This is also why I am not willing to brush aside, reason away, or heed someone who tells me the passages I gave don’t mean what they say. The “ONE LORD” argument and one God argument is the same exact argument people use against the plural concept of the Trinity, which you should understand is bogus; because there is clearly a plurality in the Godhead.
 
Small number of passages? I gave 12. That’s a significant number to me. There is also,
And who is like your people, like Israel, one nation on the earth whom Gods went to redeem for Himself for a people, to put for Himself a name and to do for Yourselves the great and awesome things . . . . (2 Samuel 7:23)
And a man will say, "Indeed, fruit for the righteous, indeed, there are Gods judging in the earth." (Psalm 58:11)
 
For what great nation is there that has Gods near to it as Yehvah our Gods[or God] in all we call to Him? (Deuteronomy 5:4)
 
For the Lord your God He is Gods of Gods[same words] and Lords of Lords [same words], the great God, the Mighty One and the Awesome One, . . . . (Deuteronomy 10:17)
 
Oh, give thanks to the Gods of Gods [same words]! For His mercy endures forever. Oh, give thanks to the Lords of Lords [same words]! For His mercy endures forever: (Psalm 136:2-3)
Psalm 14:1 and 53:1 literally say,
A fool says in his heart, "There are no Gods."
We have the “Us” of Genesis 1:26-27; Genesis 3:22; 11:5-9; Isaiah 6:8, Ezekiel 44:6; John 17:21; the "We" of Isaiah 16:6; Jeremiah 30:5; 48:29; Obadiah 1:1; John 3:11; and the “they” of Daniel 4:25-26, 32; and Luke 12:48.
We have “your Creators” in Ecclesiastes 12:1, “Makers” in Psalm 149:2 and Isaiah 54:5. We have the “Watchers” of Daniel 4:17 and the “Holy Ones” of Proverbs 9:10; 30:3; Daniel 4:17; and Hosea 11:12.
 
As Elohiym is plural, another common term used for God is Adonai (literally, “Lords”), which is also plural and used in a plural context in Genesis 19:18, in which a careful look at Genesis 18 (“I will go down now” vs. 21) reveals Lot is talking to God in Genesis 19:18 in the form of two “men” (Genesis 18:1-2).
 
The Word is God and with God (John 1:1), and He is “the only begotten God” (John 1:18 Critical Text), who Himself has His “God” (Psalm 45:6-7; Matthew 27:46; John 20:17; Hebrews 1:8-9; and Revelation 1:6; 3:12). “The Lord said to my Lord” (Matthew 22:44). Here we have one "Lord" speaking to another "Lord" and they are both God. That’s clearly two Lords, yet one Lord and one God and one Father (Ephesians 4:5-6), though Jesus is the “Everlasting Father” or “Father of eternity” as well (Isaiah 9:6; John 14:9).
 
For me, it only takes one passage for me to believe it (Matthew 4:4 “every word”). Indeed, context of Scripture is important, but thus far you’ve not given any Scripture that teaches against Gods in One God, just as you should know there is no Scripture against Persons in One God. And, I don’t believe He is limited to three (e.g. Revelation 1:4; Psalm 48:12-14; etc.).
 
You have done well in showing it is against Catholic teaching, and this is one (of many) reasons I don’t buy Catholic teaching. Muslims, Protestants, and Catholics all deny the very book they claim to believe. When I see this (especially time and again), I find it quite disingenuous for them to tell me to ignore what I see in the Word and to believe them. I’m just not willing to do that. I believe that would cost my soul.
 
You asked,
Who has the final say?
God does, and we will all give account to His Word, as it says in Hebrews 4:12-13. That’s why I have the position I have. I am terrified of Him (Psalm 119:120).
 
There is more I could comment on (like some of your questions) if you are interested in my perspective, but I’ll leave it at that for now. Thank you for your time and the discourse.

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: comments
 
No matter what passages you bring forward you still run into the interpretation problem. You say God is has the final say but did He say your translation is right and others are wrong? If so where is your evidence? As I have already demonstrated people will come up with thousands of different beliefs from simply reading and trying to understand the Bible. You condemn the Catholic, and Protestant readings of the Bible but why is it wrong? Why is your interpretation right? Were you given the power to bind and loose and the keys to the kingdom of Heaven as St. Peter was? You do the very thing you condemn! You rely on man for the cannon of Scripture, you rely on yourself for the interpretation of the Bible. You don't acknowledge the Apostolic Tradition, explicitly taught by St. Paul, And you ignore the Church. How can you say you believe in the Bible when you ignore what it teaches? 
 
People can and will debate this matter until the second coming of Christ, which in my opinion will be soon. You continue to rely solely on your own knowledge and ability to interpret scripture. That is why St. Peter warns against the misuse and misunderstanding in his epistle. Not everyone was intended to read the Bible, because this is what happens when people do. We have so many "bible believing Christians" all telling you the Bible teaches something, yourself and myself included. The difference is you rely solely on yourself and perhaps that God has given you the special ability to decipher the exact meaning. I really on myself, Tradition, the Church, the early Church fathers such as St. Ignatius, St. Clement, and others. I rely on the succession of Catholic prophesy coming true, the continuation of miracles and all the other proofs I have given. 
 
I will ask you these simple questions once again because you have still not answered them. 
How do we know what books make up the complete Bible? Who is your authority that says your answer is correct, because the Bible certainly doesn't teach what books constitute it...
 
If the Bible is in fact the only rule of faith, Why did Christ commission His apostles to PREACH the Gospel, instead of WRITE the Gospel? 
Why is the Church referred to as the pillar and ground of truth? Shouldn't it say that the scripture is the pillar and ground of truth?
 
How were the early Christians suppose to read the Scripture when most people were illiterate in antiquity and people were not exactly sure what books were considered Scripture?

Sent: Monday, September 1, 2014 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: comments
 
The evidence is the text itself. For example, when I read “Gods” repeatedly and you and others tell me it’s not “Gods,” the text itself proves you all wrong. That’s not an “interpretation” problem. That’s a spiritual problem (John 8:47). It is “Gods,” and those who deny it are simply liars.
 
I see this kind of thing often. It’s the same as “The Lord kills” (1 Samuel 2:6). I have “Christians” tell me, “The Lord doesn’t kill.” They are lying. There’s no need for “interpretation” on either concept (Gods or killing). It says what it says. It’s not complicated. I didn’t write it, but people deny it (Romans 1:18 “suppress the truth”).
 
It’s just like the first lie. God said, “you will surely die.” The serpent said, “you will not surely die.” Eve didn’t need the Church to interpret that for her. She knew what God said, but she believed the serpent instead. There’s no difference here, even in the simplicity of concepts. Simple words blatantly denied.
 
You asked,
How do we know what books make up the complete Bible?
Well, I admit. I do not believe I know because the Catholics compiled certain books. I don’t follow a Catholic compilation.
 
God is self-evident in creation (Romans 1:18-20) and in the heart of man (John 1:9; Romans 1:19). His Word, being Himself (John 1:1), is self-evident (Psalm 19:1-4/Romans 10:18), and is constantly being given to men (Proverbs 8:1f; etc.), written or otherwise. He gave His Word to His people (Psalm 147:19-20; Romans 3:2; etc.), “for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). And, just as the Jews were wicked, yet were keepers of His Word (Jeremiah 2:8), so others have held His Word; but have been wicked nonetheless. God preserves it nevertheless (Psalm 12:6-7). Because people compile or translate or whatever His Word (parts or in whole), that does not mean those people themselves are not liars or impostors, just as the Jews well illustrate (John 8:44 “you are of your father the devil”).
 
The apostles preached the Word of God, and one of the things they preached is that Scripture can make a man “perfect, furnished to every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17 DRA; Colossians 2:8-10). Catholics say no to this Biblical concept. This is just yet another example (of many) why I reject Catholicism.
 
You asked,
Why is the Church referred to as the pillar and ground of truth?
Because it is. But, obviously what you call the Church, I call the Church of Satan (as in Revelation 2:9; 3:9). You fault me for thinking for myself (as Christ would have, Luke 12:57). You tell me I need to let others (those you call Catholics) think (“interpret”) for me. No thank you. They talk just as Satan did in the garden. I am not interested being deceived as Eve was and ending up in hell with them.
 
Moreover, it is not that I don’t consider what Catholics (or others) say. I have done so for over 20 years. I just don’t believe what they say. I enjoy hearing different perspectives and considering them all in the light of His Word.
 
You asked,
Shouldn't it say that the scripture is the pillar and ground of truth?
It should say what it says. The Scripture is living in the real Church (Galatians 2:20). That’s why when I see a Church claiming to be the real Church, but they consistently disregard Scripture, I know it’s not the real Church (like the Protestant, Catholic, etc., churches). Just as you disregard modern Roman Catholicism (Vatican II), because you see they do not hold to historical Catholic teaching (which you are correct, they don’t, on some matters). So, I reject those who do not hold to Biblical teaching, and you fault me for thinking for myself. You would rather I disregard what I see in Scripture (simple things) and believe others. I find that quite interesting.
 
Finally, your last question assumes a lot. You are not old enough to know what went on back then (Ecclesiastes 1:11). You believe what you are told by men. The Bible warns, “With their tongues they have practiced deceit” (Romans 3:13). You have not taken heed to His warning and have been taken in by their deceit.
 
God does not lie (Titus 1:2). That’s why I take refuge in what He says, and I can say with the Psalmist:
97 Oh, how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
98 You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies; For they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers, For Your testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, Because I keep Your precepts.
101 I have restrained my feet from every evil way, That I may keep Your word.
102 I have not departed from Your judgments, For You Yourself have taught me.
103 How sweet are Your words to my taste, Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way. (Psalm 119:97-104)





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