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Last updated 11-25-2013

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:14 PM

Subject: "Ye are gods"

Dear Sir, In your ‘He is Holy Gods” discussion, under point 2 you state, ”Moreover, Scripture calls men gods in Psalm 82 “. Does this mean you disagree with Michael S Heiser’s position that this is actually a reference to the fallen angels God originally made administrators over the earth and its people (the divine council){Michael S Heiser.com}. According to MH these same fallen angels led man deeper into worship of themselves to the exclusion of the true and living God, thus forcing Him to divide man into nations at Babel “according to the number of the Sons Of God”. In other words, “you want your false gods. Ok, you can have them; a false god for each nation. And I will create My own nation (Israel) to carry truth into the earth”. I’m aware that later translations record this as “according to the number of the Sons of Israel”, however Israel did not exist as a nation until after the Babel event, lending credence to M H’s contention that later scribes translated this as “sons of Israel” to overcome the biblical teaching (interpreted as polytheism) that there were in heaven multiple gods, albeit of a lower (created) order. Psalm 82 does make more sense if placed in a heavenly context, does it not?: God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods…I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High...But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.” If these gods are men, then what God says to them would amount to Him saying ‘You are men, but you shall die like men’. But God and all of us already know that men die like men so it doesn’t make a lot of sense. What do you think?

May the Lord God bless you.

Tony Halliday.

PS. Very few people have your time, resources or your command of the Hebrew language needed to ‘drill down’ into the original intended meaning of all God has said in His Word, myself included. Therefore it would appear from your comments that very few of us can be saved. I will keep asking the Lord Jesus to be merciful to me as I do not want to be counted among the wicked. I thought I was saved but I no longer know if the Lord accepts me having visited your web site. I hate even suggesting this and I make no imputation against the Lord, but the way you portray our God Yahveh in our relationship with Him sounds dangerously like the way the evil Muslim god relates to his followers. Is it possible you might not have a sufficient emphasis on God’s love and compassion in your web site?

May we both to “trust in the Lord with all of our hearts and lean not on our own understanding”.

TH tony.halliday@hotmail.com

From: Darwin Fish

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:13 PM

To: tony halliday

Subject: Re: "Ye are gods"

Thank you for the email.

Jesus attributed the statement of "You are gods" (Psalm 82) to men via identifying it as "Scripture" "to whom the word of God came" in John 10:34-35. The Word of God/Scripture (Psalm 82) came to men (2 Peter 1:21; Psalm 147:19-20; Romans 3:1-2). This is Jesus' point in John 10:34-36. That is, that men are called gods. This is expressly what He was confronting, "because you, being a man, make yourself God" (John 10:33). For a little more on that, please see www.atruechurch.info/hermeneutics.html under point I. Literal, A. Scripture Cannot Be Broken.

Moreover, even Heiser concedes Psalm 82:7 can be translated "like Adam" (www.thedivinecouncil.com/Psalm_82_overview.pdf).

But you shall die like Adam, and fall like one of the princes. (my translation of Psalm 82:7, see also e.g. OJB; Clark, www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cmt/clarke/psa082.htm)

This phrase "like Adam" (כְּאָדָ֣ם) is only found in three passages in the OT (Psalm 82:7; Job 31:33; & Hosea 6:7). Job 31:33 says,

If I have covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding my iniquity in my bosom, (NKJV, see also KJV; NAS; YLT; etc.)

Hosea 6:7 reads,

But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant; There they have dealt treacherously against Me. (NAS; see also YLT; NLT; NIV; ESV; HCS; NET; Douay-Rheims; Darby; ERV)

Within all three of these passages, "like Adam" fits all three contexts best, and this addresses your concern regarding Psalm 82:7 that, "all of us already know that men die like men." Yes, men know, but they deny the obvious (Psalm 49:10-12; Romans 1:18-20). Plus, Scripture nonetheless does make some very plain self-evident statements (e.g. Proverbs 14:5; Ecclesiastes 3:19-20).

So, no I do not accept Heiser's twist of Psalm 82 or John 10.

Nevertheless, Scripture does indeed teach a "divine council" (Job 1 & 2; 1 Kings 22:19-23 [2 Chronicles 18:18-22]; Isaiah 6:1-8 ["Us"]; Revelation 4 & 5), that is, an assembly of the Gods and gods.

A council can be,

: an assembly or meeting for consultation, advice, or discussion (www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/council)

That is well illustrated in 1 Kings 22 & 2 Chronicles 18 and Job 1 & 2. Besides the Gods in the Godhead, there are gods (indeed, lesser gods) that would or could be present.

1. Angels are called gods in Psalm 8:5 (in Hebrew verse 6, gods, אֱלֹהִ֑ים) see Hebrews 2:7. They are also called sons of God/Gods in Genesis 6:2, 4 (see also 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6); Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Angels are also called "stars" in Revelation 12:4/7 (Job 38:7 בְּנֵ֥י אֱלֹהִֽים "sons of God"// "stars").

2. Men are called gods (Psalm 82/John 10; 1 Samuel 28:13) and sons of God (Luke 20:36; see also Hebrews 12:23 [note also Luke 3:38]; Psalm 82:6; Matthew 5:9; Romans 8:14; Galatians 3:26). Note particularly in Luke 20:36 Jesus says of resurrected men, "they are equal to the angels." Angels are called gods (Psalm 8:5/Hebrews 2:7).

3. Demons are called gods in Deuteronomy 32:17 (אֱלֹהִ֖ים, see also 1 Corinthians 10:19-20) and sons of God before the fall (Job 38:7). Deuteronomy 32:17 is interesting wording. It reads (more literally),

They sacrificed to demons, not God ['eloah, singular], gods ['elohiym, plural] they did not know them, . . . .

יִזְבְּח֗וּ לַשֵּׁדִים֙ לֹ֣א אֱלֹ֔הַ אֱלֹהִ֖ים לֹ֣א יְדָע֑וּם חֲדָשִׁים֙ מִקָּרֹ֣ב בָּ֔אוּ לֹ֥א שְׂעָר֖וּם אֲבֹתֵיכֶֽם

Also, demons (gods) and idols (gods) go together (Leviticus 17:7; 2 Chronicles 11:15; Psalm 106:36-37; Corinthians 10:19-20; Revelation 9:20).

4. The sun, moon, and stars are called gods (Deuteronomy 17:3).

5. Idols are called gods (e.g. Exodus 20:23; Deuteronomy 28:36; Psalm 96:5; Isaiah 37:19 ["gods . . . not gods" see also Isaiah 41:21-24 (context vs. 7); Jeremiah 10:11]; etc.).

As should be evident from the list above, there is more than one candidate for "Gods," "gods," "sons of God/s" or "sons of gods." So, when we find these, context is extremely important as to whom they refer, and often it is not so clear or specific (e.g. Psalm 29:1; 89:6; etc., see below).

In a pdf on his "divine council" Heiser writes,

There are other references to the corrupt gods of the nations—and not idols—outside immediate divine council contexts. They affirm that other gods were part of the worldview of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. The first list below contains passages where the word elohim or ha-elohim is in the Hebrew text where you read “gods.” The second list has verses where the Hebrew word is elim. www.thedivinecouncil.com/Introduction%20to%20the%20Divine%20Council%20MTIT.pdf, underlining added)

Heiser's claim that the following verses speak of "corrupt gods of the nations" that are "not idols" is completely unsubstantiated. No such identification is given therein (in the verse or its context). Here is his list:

The plural elohim / ha-elohim

Psalm 86:8 - Among the gods there is none like you, O Yahweh; neither [are there any works] like your works.

Psalm 95:3 - For Yahweh is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

Psalm 96:4 - For Yahweh is great, and deserving of exceedingly great praise: he is to be feared above all gods.

Psalm 97:7 - All who served images were put to shame; those who boasted in mere idols; even all the gods bow down before him [Yahweh, see v. 5 preceding]

[bad translation: see NKJV "worship" is in the imperative, as in (same form) 1 Chronicles 16:29; Psalm 29:2; 96:9]

Psalm 97:9 - For you, O Yahweh, are Most High above all the earth: you are exalted far above all gods.

Psalm 135:5 - For I know that Yahweh is great, and that our lord is above all gods.

Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks to the God of gods: for his mercy endures for ever.

Psalm 138:1 - I will praise you with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise to you.

The plural elim

Exodus 15:11 – Who is like you, O Yahweh, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in splendor, doing wonders?

Psalm 58:1 - Do you indeed decree what is right, O gods? Do you judge people fairly?

In that last Psalm he follows a textual variant for "gods," but the verse ends with calling them, "sons of men" (see e.g. Psalm 58:1 NAS). Moreover, several of the passages above include "all gods." That is not corrupt specific.

MICHAEL S HEISER is a false teacher. His list of recommended books well reveal he does not abide in the doctrine of Christ (2 John 9). For example, he recommends false teaching by recommending the book, Adam's Ancestors (by false teacher David N. Livingstone).

Although the idea that all human beings are descended from Adam is a long-standing conviction in the West, another version of this narrative exists: human beings inhabited the Earth before, or alongside, Adam, and their descendants still occupy the planet. (Editorial Review, http://michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/books/)

This rejects the explicit statement of 1 Corinthians 15:45 ("The first man Adam") and it rejects the Genesis account (Genesis 1 & 2).

Similarly, Heiser recommends another heretical book entitled, The Lost World of Genesis One, by false teacher John H. Walton, who also rejects Genesis 1 and finds room for the evolution fable (2 Timothy 4:4 "fables").

He also recommends, Ancient Texts for the Study of the Hebrew Bible (by false teacher Kenton L. Sparks, whose wife is a psychotherapist [www.eastern.edu/about/university-leadership/kenton-sparks-phd]). Heiser posts regarding this book,

The Hebrew Bible represents no mere collection of books but a stunning array of literary genres. To fully illuminate the history and culture of the Old Testament, it is necessary to compare these ancient writings to similar texts written concurrently by Israel's neighbors.

This equates to interpreting the text via the writings of men. For more on that kind of antichrist teaching, see www.atruechurch.info/hermeneutics.html under III. No Additions.

Heiser also rejects Revelation 20 where a 1000 years are explicitly taught in Scripture. For that, see his FAQ www.michaelsheiser.com/FAQ.html at the bottom.

"it would appear from your comments that very few of us can be saved."

Very few will be saved in our time (Luke 13:23-24; 18:8; etc.). That's what the Bible teaches, as we discuss in our Statement of Faith (www.atruechurch.info/statement.html) in the first point, I. Few. This is not because "Very few people have [the] time, resources or [a] command of the Hebrew language." It is because very few believe what God says. That is what it takes to be saved, faith in His Word (Matthew 4:4; James 1:21; John 1:1, 14; 3:16; etc.), and God is giving this gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8-9) to very few right now (Romans 9:16, 18; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3-4; etc.).

Whether it be little knowledge or much, the crux of salvation is whether the heart believes what God says (as Abraham did, Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3). Yet, God does require that we seek for Him, grope for Him (Acts 17:27), and diligently seek after His knowledge and wisdom (Proverbs 2:1-6; 3:13-18; 4:5-9, 13; 8:1-12, 33-35; 19:20; etc.). Those who refuse to do so, and/or are complacent (Proverbs 1:32), will perish (Proverbs 13:13) and suffer eternally (Revelation 20:10-15). Growing in "the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 3:18) is the antidote for falling prey to "the error of the wicked" (2 Peter 3:17) which leads to destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

"I thought I was saved but I no longer know if the Lord accepts me having visited your web site."

Good. It is better to find out now, then after death as the rich man did (Luke 16:19-24).

"Is it possible you might not have a sufficient emphasis on God’s love and compassion in your web site?"

Is it possible Jonah did not have a sufficient emphasis on God's love and compassion in his God given message (Jonah 3:4)? The entire city repented without Jonah preaching a single thing about God's love and compassion. He only preached condemnation ("Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!").

Perhaps, John the Baptist likewise should not have said to the multitudes who were coming to be baptized by him,

Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (Luke 3:7)

Where is the emphasis of love and compassion with John in Luke 3?

Perhaps, God's emphasis was out of balance when He told Adam, "You shall surely die," if he ate from the tree (Genesis 2:17)? Or, where is the "love" and "compassion" found in Ezekiel 3 and 33 with God's message to the wicked, "You shall surely die" (Ezekiel 3:18; 33:8, 14)?

Why are there far more curses than blessings in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28?

We speak of His love and compassion (e.g. www.atruechurch.info/godislove.html) throughout our website, but we find the lost are often blind to it (2 Corinthians 4:4). We also know that the wicked do not know love (for God is love, 1 John 4:16), as it is written,

Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. (Proverbs 27:6)

"the way you portray our God Yahveh in our relationship with Him sounds dangerously like the way the evil Muslim god relates to his followers."

This statement well reveals your lost state, since what we portray is the God of the Bible from the Scriptures (1 John 4:6). Therefore, it is evident you reject the God of the Bible (1 John 4:6) and do not love Him (Mark 12:29-30). That leads to nowhere but the lake of fire where all the "unbelieving" go (Revelation 21:8). May God have mercy on you before it is too late.

If you really think we are Biblically wrong (especially about God Himself), we would gladly consider any Biblical criticism (Proverbs 6:23). Opinions of men move us not (Psalm 94:11).

Finally, if you haven't already, please let me encourage you to take a serious look (in the spirit of Proverbs 2:1-6 & Acts 17:11) at our Statement of Faith (www.atruechurch.info/statement.html), particularly the intro and first three points.

May the Lord direct you into His truth.

From: "Ken Wenz" kpain9999@sc.rr.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:02 AM
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Subject: Chronic Pain and Scripture

Mr. Fish,
Have you looked into the issue of chronic pain and anything that the Bible teaches on it and what should be done about it? It is a huge problem and the medical community looks for peripheral tissue damage as the cause and cure but it appears to be more an issue of the "heart" in my opinion. Remember, acute (tissue damage) pain is different from chronic pain. Chronic pain is more of an emotional issue more than anything. Just wondering what your thoughts would be on this since you know scripture. Can you lead me in a direction of what I should be reading?
Thanks,
Ken

From: "Darwin Fish" darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:04 PM
To: "Ken Wenz" kpain9999@sc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Chronic Pain and Scripture

Pain is one of the two avenues mentioned in Job 33:14-30 wherein God speaks
to men. Although, men do "not perceive it" (Job 33:14). They do not realize
it is God speaking to them. Nonetheless, He is, and He works these things in
people to encourage them away from their destructive ways (Job 33:17) and to
encourage them to repent (Job 33:30). See also Psalm 107:17-20.

The first way mentioned in Job 33 is in a dream (Job 33:14-18) wherein God
speaks. In the second way mentioned, He uses pain (Job 33:19-22) and speaks
through a messenger (Job 33:23-30). Sadly, though, men usually do not listen
or take heed (Romans 1:18-32), as is illustrated by King Asa (2 Chronicles
16:7-12) and King Jehoram (2 Chronicles 21), who died "in severe pain" (2
Chronicles 21:19).

This is not to say that this is God's sole purpose and use of pain. For
Paul, God used it to keep him humble (2 Corinthians 12:7) and refused to
remove it (2 Corinthians 12:8-10). For Job, who was given "months of
futility" (Job 7:3-5) with "gnawing pains" (Job 30:17) and bones burning
"with fever" (Job 30:30), it was a contest between Satan and God (Job 1 &
2), and Job was the center piece; because there was "none like him on earth"
(Job 1:8; 2:3), a man "who feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1).

And, as Job illustrates, God afflicts godly men (e.g. see also Psalm 88;
102:3-5) for no apparent reason (Deuteronomy 29:29; Proverbs 25:2a). Job
certainly did not know why God had afflicted him so (e.g. Job 7:17-21;
10:2-7; 13:24). Heman the Ezrahite was afflicted so bad he was "ready to
die" from his youth (Psalm 88:15), and he too was clueless as to why (Psalm
88:14); though he had cried out to God day and night (Psalm 88:1, 9, 13).
Yet, he was a "holy man of God" (2 Peter 1:21). Read the Psalm (88). It ends
with no answer, no resolution, rhythm, or reason.

God also uses it as judgment and His curse upon men (e.g. Deuteronomy 28:22,
27, 35, 61), even upon those He will not pity nor hear their cry (e.g.
Proverbs 1:24-29; Jeremiah 11:14; Ezekiel 8:18; Micah 3:4; Zechariah
7:11-13).

Furthermore, as Job well illustrates, Satan can be involved in the
affliction. See also, for example, Luke 13:10-16.

In the end, pain will be completely removed from existence (Revelation
21:1-4), except for those in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10-15; 21:8).

You mentioned an issue of the heart and emotion. Scripture teaches men's
hearts are mad (insane, Ecclesiastes 9:3) and seriously debased (Romans
1:28) and darkened (Romans 1:21-22; Ephesians 4:18), and Satan deceives the
whole world (Revelation 12:9). Sound minds with understanding are not
prevailing in our days (2 Timothy 3:1-5; 4:3-4; etc.).

Finally, please let me encourage you to take a serious look (in the spirit
of Proverbs 2:1-6 & Acts 17:11) at our Statement of Faith
(www.atruechurch.info/statement.html), particularly the intro and first
three points. Most today who think they are saved are not
(www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html).

May the Lord direct you into His truth.

From: Marco Scouvert

Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:37 AM

To: feedback@atruechurch.info

Subject: God is a Spirit-Man

The Scriptures cannot be broken: John 10:35

God is a Man - Exodus 15:3

God is a Spirit - John 4:24

A Spirit does not have flesh and bones - Luke 24:39

God is a spirit, a man, has no flesh and bones and has a body. The Scriptures cannot be broken.

The Scriptures cannot be broken: John 10:35

God has appeared to men: Judges 13:22

God is invisible: Colossians 1:15

No man has ever seen God: John 1:18

God has never been seen by any man, is invisible, and men have seen God on earth. The Scriptures cannot be broken.

Can you help me understand how these can be, and please do so without giving me your opinions (Psalm 53:1-3; Colossians 2:8-10)? Thank you.

From: Darwin Fish

Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:01 AM

To: Marco Scouvert

Subject: Re: God is a Spirit-Man

Sure, believe them, all of them (Proverbs 3:5-6).

From: Marco Scouvert

Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:40 PM

To: Darwin Fish

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

In looking at your statement of faith and other teaching on your website, what sources are you using from which you quote Greek, Hebrew, and even give definitions of the words in these languages?

From: Darwin Fish

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:18 PM

To: Marco Scouvert

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

I have hard copies of those texts with Hebrew and Greek Lexicons and concordances. I also use Bibleworks (www.bibleworks.com). Word definitions are best found in analyzing the context/s and use of the word throughout the rest of Scripture. I often give in my articles either in the body of the article or in a footnote where else any particular word can be found in the rest of Scripture, and how it is used therein.

From: Marco Scouvert

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:29 PM

To: Darwin Fish

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

Thanks. But I was asking more specifically, which actual language tools you use when studying the Hebrew and Greek languages?

From: Darwin Fish

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:37 PM

To: Marco Scouvert

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

In Bibleworks I use Leningrad Hebrew OT, LXX Septuaginta Rahlfs', Robinson-Pierpont Majority Text (1995), Scrivener 1894 NT, Westcott and Hort NT, the word searches within those texts in the program, and the copy and paste capabilities within the program for my text documents (articles, translation [www.800howtrue.com/GodsHolyWord.pdf], etc). I also use hard copy versions of Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, The Septuagint with Apocrypha: Greek and English (Brenton), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Arndt & Gingrich), The Greek New Testament According to the Majority Text (Hodges & Farstad),

Other texts I reference on occasion are:

Gesenius Hebrew Grammar

The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon to the Old Testament (Koehler & Baumgartner)

Index to Brown, Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon (Einspahr)

A New Concordance to the Old Testament Using the Hebrew and Aramaic Text (Even-Shoshan)

Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible (Emanuel Tov)

The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon (Davidson)

Hebrew Bible / Hebrew Old Testament and New Testament (Trinitarian Bible Society)

A Grammar of Biblical Aramaic (Franz Rosenthal)

The New Testament, The Greek Text Underlying The English Authorised Version of 1611 (Trinitarian Bible Society)

The Greek New Testament (United Bible Society)

A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (Metzger)

A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (Dana & Mantey)

Essentials of New Testament Greek (Summers)

A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in Light of Historical Research (Robertson)

A Concordance to the Greek New Testament (Moulton)

A Parsing Guide to the Greek New Testament (Han)

Aramaic English New Testament (Roth)

From: Marco Scouvert

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 1:21 AM

To: Darwin Fish

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

Thank you for supplying such a long list. Initially, I'm surprised that you would use the Lexicon of false teachers Brown, Driver, and Briggs. I don't lend support to the entire website but here is an article that exposes their false teaching:

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/apostasy_and_textual_criticism.html

Their teachings were those of man's reason, absent of the wisdom of God. If you are building your understanding of the word of God on these traditions of false teaching men, how can you follow your interpretations (1 Corinthians 3:19-20; Colossians 2:8)?

From: Darwin Fish

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:00 PM

To: Marco Scouvert

Subject: Re: Fw: God is a Spirit-Man

You wrote,

I'm surprised that you would use the Lexicon of false teachers Brown, Driver, and Briggs.

Why would you be surprised? You write as if you are ignorant of the content of that Lexicon. For most words it gives how and where the word is found throughout the OT. It is a very useful tool for doing what I previously explained to you. One can see for themselves whether the translation given for that word is correct or not.

You asked how I find "definitions of the words in these languages?" I told you how. I wrote,

Word definitions are best found in analyzing the context/s and use of the word throughout the rest of Scripture. I often give in my articles either in the body of the article or in a footnote where else any particular word can be found in the rest of Scripture, and how it is used therein.

You ignored this and wrote,

If you are building your understanding of the word of God on these traditions of false teaching men, . . . .

Please show me where I have done so. I would love to correct it.

The article you sent says,

The field of biblical scholarship has become deeply polluted . . . .

That is nothing new. Jeremiah 2:8 says,

. . . those who handle the law did not know Me;

Jesus said to the Jews,

You are of your father the devil, . . . (John 8:44).

Yet, it is the Jews by which we have the Word of God (Psalm 147:19-20; Romans 3:1-2). Jesus condemned the "scholars" (scribes) of His day (Matthew 23:13-29). Wicked religious scholars and leaders is par for the course (Psalm 118:22-24). I don't believe a single author of everything I listed for you is (or was) godly.

Finally, you asked,

. . . how can you follow your interpretations . . . .

I don't (www.atruechurch.info/rejecttapes.html, Proverbs 6:23). That leads to hell (Jeremiah 17:5). No "prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation" (2 Peter 1:20). I follow the Word of God (John 1:1), and it is by this Word by which one stands or falls (Hebrews 4:12-13; 2 John 9).

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