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From: "Christian Woman" christianwoman222@hotmail.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: True or False?
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Do you view these people as true saints of God - or would you say they are also False Teachers?
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Christian Woman" christianwoman222@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: True or False?
They are false. They write,
"We are people who believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible and remain within the pale of historic orthodoxy," (www.apostasynow.com/aboutus.html)
Historic orthodoxy is false Christianity (Catholicism, the Reformation, etc.), the broad way. Regarding this broad way, please see www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html. In support of their statement above, they write in their following paragraph, mentioning Catholic creeds, etc.,
"We receive The Apostles Creed, and the Nicene Creed on the Trinity. We respect and consult the accumulated scholarship of the Church. We side with Luther on the main issues of The Reformation."
Both the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed are Catholic creeds. Also, the "accumulated scholarship of the Church" is the accumulated scholarship of false teachers, particularly within the Catholic tradition and The Reformation tradition (Colossians 2:8). Both the Catholic and Reformation teachers taught Amillennialism, which is a whole host of false doctrine and rejection of holy writ. They "repect and consult" such propagators of falsehood. In this, they reveal they themselves are false (Proverbs 17:4) and are contrary to godliness that, "does not repect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies" (Psalm 40:4).
Moreover, if what we have now are really Luther's works, these works reveal Luther to be a false teacher as well. According to the works of Luther, he rejected the book of James (Volume 54, p. 176; 424-425), called Moses an enemy of Christ (ibid., 128), and believed in chasing away the devil with a fart (ibid., 16, 78, 280). Although I need to study the man's teaching further, I do know he spoke with severe hatred of the Jews (which makes one accursed of God, Genesis 12:2-3) advising that their synagogues and schools be burned (Volume 47, p. 268), their houses "be razed and destroyed" (ibid., p. 269), that "their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb" (ibid., p. 269), that their "entire Bible - be taken from them," that "they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God," (ibid., p. 286) etc..
Immediately after the above quote Apostasy Now writes, "We believe that all the gifts of the Spirit are still in The Church just as they were in the Book Of Acts."
They evidently believe God is still "confirming the word through the accompanying signs" (Mark 16:20) and "bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit" (Hebrews 2:4). They are big liars on this alone. If God were still doing those things, it would be evident to all as it was then (e.g. Acts 4:16), not just to those who believe it is still happening, as these do.
In chapter 2 of "The Great Dream" the writer gives an answer to the question in Luke 18:8. He writes,
"THE ANSWER IS.....NO: there may be all kinds of "faith" on the earth when the Son of man cometh, but NOT the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3)."
This speaks directly against 1 Thessalonians 4:17 ("we who are alive and
remain").
These are just a few matters I noted.
From: missionmalachi456@isp.com
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: 501 c3
Darwin what do think about 501c3 status for a ministry? And why do you not agree with it...? I have seen some info online. But do you have some scriptures that I can use for refuting it?
thanks,
Joe
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: missionmalachi456@isp.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: 501 c3
To be 501c3 you have to agree to not be involved in political propaganda.
"§ 501. Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc."
"(3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." (bold added, obtain from www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000501----000-.html, see 501c3).
Now, certainly a church could probably figure they are not interested in being politically involved. God does not command to be politically involved, so this could possibly not be an issue. But, there are so many issues that could come up in which a man of God would speak out against or even speak in support of (e.g. an abortion law). The phrase "otherwise attempting, to influence legislation" is quite open to interpretation.
If the occasion were to arise where it was felt a serious speaking out for or against an issue was proper, the 501c3 statue would have to be immediately discarded. Otherwise, it is like selling your soul to the devil (to the world, 1 John 5:19) to agree to keep your mouth shut (e.g. Acts 4:19-20) for tax exempt status, for money, rather than having one's conscience before God dictate how to live. In other words, it would be serving mammon, not God (Luke 16:13).
While I do not believe we are called to necessarily be involved in politics in particular, it is not proper to agree to bascially keep your mouth shut, just because it is an issue that hits the realm of politics. Given the right circumstances, this would mean a Christian would agree to not live out, for example, Ephesians 5:11, exposing works of darkness within the government, or, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:3-5), when doing so addresses something political.
Micah 5:8 speaks of doing justly and loving mercy, and so, supporting legislation, for example, that would outlaw abortion is consistant with doing justly and loving mercy (mercy on unborn babies).
While it is not sin, in and of itself, to agree to stay out of politics, because there is no command to be involved in politics, an occasion may well arise where action is not taken because of this restriction, and that is sin, when Scripture is not lived out, good is not lived (James 4:17).
From: "Russell" rahobman@westnet.com.au
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: in search of true christians.
goodaye, thankyou for your reply, please find the link below to the main belief page of the ucog website. there are links to other pages clearly stating their doctrines and beliefs. your thoughts would be much appreciated. regards, russell.
http://www.ucg.org/about/fundamentalbeliefs.htm
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Russell" rahobman@westnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: in search of true christians.
This is the church that came out of Herbert W. Armstrong's church (see www.ucg.org/about/history.htm).
They preach the same kind of false gospel dealt with in Galatians. They write,
"Doctrinal distinctives of the Church include the observance of a seventh-day Sabbath, a modern application of the ancient Hebrew Holy Day seasons (which Jesus also kept and which the Church believes are a literal representation of God's plan for humanity)" (www.ucg.org/about/)
Please see www.atruechurch.info/lawofgod.html &
www.atruechurch.info/sabbath.html
From: slittlefield2092
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Self Evaluation
Have you ever taken the time to evaluate to see if you are a false teacher? Have you made mistakes while teaching and later have to correct them like some of the people that you have mentioned? Where do you get the right to classify people in the family of God as false teachers? I also question a lot of these people that you have mentioned but definitely not MacArthur.
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: slittlefield2092
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Self Evaluation
"Have you ever taken the time to evaluate to see if you are a false teacher?"
Yes, many times over in fear and trembling (Psalm 119:120).
"Have you made mistakes while teaching and later have to correct them like some of the people that you have mentioned?"
Yes and No. "Mistakes," yes (www.atruechurch.info/rejecttapes.html). Like some of the people we mention, no, because they continue in lies and continue to promote them, even after being corrected (1 Timothy 6:3-5).
"Where do you get the right to classify people in the family of God as false teachers?"
John 7:24; 1 Corinthians 2:15; 2 Corinthians 4:13; Ephesians 5:11; etc.
"I also question a lot of these people that you have mentioned but definitely not MacArthur."
Neither did I, until I found out otherwise (www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html)
[The above email was sent, but was returned, so apparently he or she did not receive it.]
From: "Simon Peter" truth162@hotmail.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 12:49 AM
Subject: Proverbs 16:2
I was wondering, the leader of your church is "DARWIN" Fish. He claims that bible believing Christians are truly saved. I agree. Now my question is, why is your leader's name Darwin. He says "Some have suggested that I should change it, but I don't believe that would be honoring my father and mother (Exodus 20:12). I sense that he is deceived himself. I don't think any Christian in his right mind would name his child Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, or Lucifer. I also believe that any Christian who has such a name would denounce his name for the sake of Holiness. Saying that keeping one's name to honor his parents implies that it is good in the eyes of the Lord to honor your parents. I agree God's command to honor your parents is good, but We also know that the bible clearly teaches, in Isaiah 5:20 - Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!....The word Darwin has most often been asociated with Charles Darwin the British naturalist who brought in the deception of Satan to believe that God didnt exist and that life came to existence through evolution. That's evil!!!! and Darwin through the mind of Satan brought in that deception. Now if (Exodus 20:12) "honoring your father and mother..." is Darwin Fish's best argument for keeping his name what about Jesus's words in Luke 14:26 - If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. If your parents are influencing you to follow Satan's deception, one must disown their practices for Jesus, because God is priority. The bible even says in 1 Thessalonians 5:22 - Abstain from every form of evil. The name Darwin has evil connections with Charles Darwin. I believe your leader is comprosing the word of God and living in sin by keeping his name and trying to even justify himself by God's own words.
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Simon Peter" truth162@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Proverbs 16:2
The name Darwin is not evil, as you erroneously state. An evil man had this name (it was his last name, not his first name), but the name itself is not evil. I also reject what the man taught.
Gideon had a name with an idol's name in it (Jerubbaal), yet God himself calls him by this name (Judges 6:32; 7:1; 8:29; 9:1, 5, 24, 57). Also, according to your foolish standard, the apostle Judas (not Iscariot, John 14:22; Acts 1:13) should have changed his name, because of the wicked Judas who betrayed Christ. Likewise, according to your standard, Judas, who was also called Barsabas, in Acts 15:22 should have changed his name. Also, the writer of the book of Jude should have changed his name, because Jude = Judas. It is the same exact name in the Greek (ioudav, ioudas). In fact, the beginning of Jude may very well be translated, "Judas, a servant of Jesus Christ . . ."
I will not dishonor my parents by changing my name, as you wickedly want me to do.
From: Al
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Your website
Alan Harstone
Senior Pastor
Saskatoon Evangelical Free Church
www.sefc.ca
Good grief. Are you folks for real, or is this website a joke? Spurgeon, MacArthur, Hannegraf, Graham.....all false prophets? Good heavens. Your road's so narrow how can you be sure that YOU yourself are on it?
I've never seen such flagrant misuse of Scripture before. You direct us to a site that purports to "expose" all these men, and you rant on from the Bible about their ministries, but I couldn't find anywhere where you actually tackle their doctrine to prove it false.......you simply have a prejudicial assumption that they are false prophets, and then proceed to scold them for it.
Shame on you if you're serious about this. I really do hope this is a joke. You're certainly not honoring Christ with it.
5-23-06
Here is yet another false teacher exposing himself as being on the broad way and in opposition to the truth (1 John 4:6).
He asks, "Your road's so narrow how can you be sure that YOU yourself are on it?"
1 John 2:3-5
He writes, "I couldn't find anywhere where you actually tackle their doctrine to prove it false"
He didn't look very carefully (www.atruechurch.info/falseteachershome.html).
We did not respond to him personally (Matthew 7:6; 2 Peter 2:12).
From: jesus_epiphany@cox.net
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: A question
To whom it may concern,
I don'r know who you are, but I have a question for you. Do you think that your theology is 100% correct? Do you think you have all of the answers totally right? I am just wondering.
Thanks
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: jesus_epiphany@cox.net [Nick Tarter]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: A question
Not sure exactly what you mean by your question, since it can imply several things.
We know in part (1 Corinthians 13:9), but what we do know we hold fast to (Philippians 2:16; Titus 1:9) and fight for (2 Corinthians 10:3-5; Jude 3). We know we are still capable of sin (1 John 1:8-10), so we know we are quite capable of being wrong, that's why we love correction. It is the way of life (Proverbs 6:23).
Sadly, because of this human error factor, people typically believe the truth cannot be known on a vast amount of Scripture. But, we know otherwise (Psalm 25:14). We hold fast to what we know to be true, and are always ready to repent if shown otherwise via the Word of God; because we believe this is the only way to eternal life - faith in God's word, all of it (Matthew 4:4; James 1:21).
May the Lord grant you such humility (Matthew 18:3) and faith.
You may want to read www.atruechurch.info/unity.html &
www.atruechurch.info/whatmustido.html
A couple weeks after the above email, we found out Nick Tarter (jesus_epiphany@cox.net) is a junior wolf at Cashion First Baptist Church in Cashion, OK. He is a lover of sorcery (Galatians 5:20). Among his favorite movies are Lord of the Rings & Narnia. He is also into the false teacher John Piper (a covetous limited atoner). See www.blogger.com/profile/24851632 (hard copies on file).
From: Sir Scooter
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:43 AM
Are you saying that you have to do more than just believe on Christ's death and resurrection to be saved? John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one andonly begtten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. Isn't that it?
Erin Wilgus
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: Sir Scooter
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re:
"Are you saying that you have to do more than just believe on Christ's death and resurrection to be saved?"
Yes, as the Scripture you quoted says. You need to believe in the Son Himself, not just what He did. The Son Himself is all of the Bible, the word of God (Revelation 19:13; Hebrews 4:12-13; James 1:21; Matthew 4:4).
From: "Steve Bramham" steve@abidinglight.org
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:55 AM
Subject: Thank you for a wonderful parody
Best comic website I have even seen....
Thanks for the laughs
--
Rev. Stephen K Bramham
Abiding Light Ministries, Inc
PO Box 3083
Kennesaw, GA 30156-9119
office: 770-426-0325
Mobile: 404-797-0744
fax: 770-426-1094
email: steve@abidinglight.org
web: www.abidinglight.org
Another false teacher exposes himself (1 John 4:6; John 8:47). No response.
I inadvertantly "pulled up" your website. In all my years, and I have lived a few, I have never read such"trash", and you would do well to re think your position on some of the "real" men , who have had the courage and the insight from God to preach the gospel through out the world.
You sound exactly like a cult, a confused organization, a group that spreads hate, and, of course, you think you are correct. You apparently try live by your words, so I hope I never meet any of you. You believe you have it all "figured" out, but you cannot come close with your attitude of suicide. Many have chemical embalances that are inherited, and it is not the person but the disease that attributes to their deaths. You are not a kind group, nor are you scripurally judgemental group. God tells us, we will all stand before God as filthy rags", and you shall as well. Where will this leave you? In a pile beside those that committed suicide. I have probably known people such as you, and I know about how you act, what you look like, and , no, you are NOT the face of Christ Jesus.
Ministers wife,
Brenda S.
From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: Bren sandine
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:52 AM
Thank you for the email.
What is your husband's name and where does he minister?
From: Bren sandine
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re:
My husband's name is Pastor Sandine and he ministers for the United Methodist Church.
From: w.pershin
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: keith green
how do i join your cult?
From: "David Oldham" david@atruechurch.info
To: "w.pershin" valodya@hotmail.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 24, 2006 23:53 PM
Subject: Re: keith green
You can't. It is by invitation only.
From: walter pershin
To: david@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: keith green
who's invited and what's the criteria?
From: David Oldham
To: w.pershin
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2006 06:21
Subject: Re: keith green
Those God elects to eternal life, and belief in the true Jesus.
From: walter pershin
To: david@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: keith green
Can you please elaborate? Who is the true Jesus and what does "belief" entail. Who has God elected? Doesn't that mean pre-destination? Do we have a choice?
From: David Oldham
To: walter pershin
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: keith green
Who is the true Jesus
The Word of God.
what does "belief" entail.
Believing in Jesus, ie: in all of the word of God.
Who has God elected?
Those who believe to the end.
Doesn't that mean pre-destination?
Yes.
Do we have a choice?
No. So, you had better choose correctly.