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Last edited 5-22-05

From: "Brian Allen" butnotforme@hotmail.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: wow

Wow. You, Mr. Darwin Fish, are more of a David Koresh-type than anyone I've seem lately. Your small group is a cult. And you say than the Mormon's and Jehovah's Witnesses (from which you stem) are...wow. It was especially interesting to see how your doctrine changes. I guess you're not "a true church" since you are still "...tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive..." (Ephesians 4:14). I think you're a perfect example of 2 Peter 3:16, too. I would say that you "draw near [Him} with [your] lips," but your speech, methods, teachings, understandings, and all that you represent are so far from being Christ-like that you don't even fit that category...your heart is surely "far from [Him}" though. I would say good luck to you but you obviously "kick against the pricks" in a way unmatched by most, that luck will avail you nothing. If you weren't such a sad case I would say that your teachings are almost "silly,"...but they're not. In reality they're quite dangerous, especially to those lost and confused souls who are following you down the road to destruction. You need to relax and try to understand the Bible better. There are things in there that you take way to literal. You must think that God has wings and feathers, too...Psalms 57:1 & 91: 2-4. I must admit that your ability to justify is amazing. But remember: justification is like masturbation - you're only screwing yourself. Though in your case your messing up your life and the lives of those around you. Your little "The Lord Kills" flyer has made for some wacky entertainment around these parts! That thing is so easily dissected by anyone with even a little understanding of the Bible. Your "Fishites" must not be too well educated in the scriptures when you find them or they'd see right through you, too. Have a day.

From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Brian Allen" butnotforme@hotmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: wow

Thank you for your email, but it is sadly typical.

You have received this form letter because there was no substance to your email, and we view it as not a good use of our time (Ephesians 5:16) to respond to you specifically and personally, since in your criticism you gave nothing but your opinion (Psalm 94:11).

If you care to write again, and quote something we have written, and show from the Word of God how we err, then we will be glad to consider what you say (Proverbs 6:23).

It is evident from your opposition to the truth (John 14:6) that you are caught in the spirit of error (1 John 4:6). We beg you to fear God (i.e. be afraid of God, Luke 12:4-5) like there is no tomorrow, because for you, unless you repent, your tomorrow (or possibly even today) will be eternal torment (Revelation 21:8).

Although we know very few in our days will (Matthew 7:13-14; 2 Peter 2:2),
we hope for your sake you repent and heed God's word (Matthew 4:4).

In the love of Christ,

a true church

From: "Brian Allen" butnotforme@hotmail.com
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: wow

You obviously didn't read my first email thoroughly or you would have at least responded to the passages of scripture that were used there in. That goes to show that you still hold to much that you learned as a Jehovah's Witness, and how to memorize and regurgitate very selected passages of your own. It would take all day to debunk all that you have written, but I will touch on just one of which you have "wrested" the scriptures, as Peter states. The way you misunderstand the word/phrase "Fear God" is wrong.
The Lord is merciful and kind and does not require of those who serve Him that they be afraid and tremble before Him like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz. There is no delight in His heart for the "fear" of the wicked because of their sins. Most scriptural passages which tell us to "fear the Lord" have no reference to fright.
The word "fear" has more than one meaning which we so universally use. The scriptural meaning is "to have reverential awe." For the word "fear" we find several meanings, such as "terror," from the Hebrew word "emah"; "dread" from the Hebrew "pachdah"; "reverence" from the Hebrew "yare."
So we ssee that the word "fear"as used in English language, had different shades of meaning in the Hebrew, and that language used different word to connote those shades of meaning.
LOVE THE LORD. When the Lord requires that we "fear" him and keep His commandments, He means that we should pay Him the homage and reverence which we owe to out Eternal Father and His Son Jesus Christ. To fear the Lord is to love Him. That is the sense in which it is used. The Lord is not asking us to be afraid of Him, but to draw near unto Him, and the greatest of all the commandments is, that we love Him.
To say that we should be frightened of Him is to play on the emotions of the weak, to get them to follow you, and not the Lord. There is no love where there is fear in the 'fright" sense of the word.
Could you please explin to me the seeming contradictions of the remarks,"God is plural" and "God is One"? How is that possible to be opposing things?

From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: Brian Allen
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: wow

You wrote, "You obviously didn't read my first email thoroughly"

You assume wrongly. I read the whole thing carefully, but the Scriptures you gave did nothing in supporting your unsubstantiated criticism.

You wrote, "That goes to show that you still hold to much that you learned as a Jehovah's Witness"

I was never a Jehovah's Witness. You are a simple minded man (Proverbs 14:15). You shouldn't believe everything you hear or read.

You wrote, "The Lord is merciful and kind and does not require of those who serve Him that
they be afraid and tremble before Him like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz."

No, much more so than that. That Wizard infinitely pales in comparison to the Almighty Lord God, Creator of heaven and earth (e.g. Revelation 14:7; 15:3-4), who controls everything and causes everything (even evil, e.g. Isaiah 45:7),

For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Romans 11:36)

That's why Job, who was a man who rightly and truly feared God, said,

Therefore I am terrified at His presence; when I consider this, I am afraid of Him. For God made my heart weak, and the Almighty terrifies me. (Job 23:15-16)

You wrote, "The Lord is not asking us to be afraid of Him"

You are right. He is not asking us, He's commanding us to be afraid of Him.

The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow; Let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread. (Isaiah 8:13; 66:2; see also Luke 14:4-5)

You are clearly one of the more obvious deceivers. You are telling us that fear doesn't mean fear (i.e. to be afraid of). We choose to believe God over liars (1 John 2:4) like you.

Jeremiah speaks of people like you:

"Hear this now, O foolish people, without understanding, who have eyes and see not, and who have ears and hear not: Do you not fear Me?" says the Lord. "Will you not tremble at My presence," (Jeremiah 5:21-22)

No, you won't, because there is no fear of God before your eyes (Romans 3:18). You are still lost in your sins and caught in the snare of the devil (2 Timothy 2:24-26).

In regards to the nature of God, you will not understand, until you fear God (Proverbs 1:7; 9:10). Nevertheless, Scripture clearly teaches both, in the very first verses of the Bible, Genesis 1:26 ("God said," "Let Us make," "Our," "Our," plural), 27 ("God created" "in His," "He created," singular).

[For more on the fear of God, see our report entitled The True Fear of God.]

From: Cheryl Hawley
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Cc: www.cjhawley1@wi.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:54 AM

Subject: a response to the artical you wrote about kieth green

to whom it may concern:

I'm am writing this to do somthing that kieth can not do, and that is deffend himself against the ignorant and satanic attack you have placed on his ministry. Though I am sure this will not be placed on your web site or at the very least its entirety. That truth you have made plain already, seeing how this was done to anything that kieth has said.

I have dealt with your kind before, people that belive exactly as you do; these people are not strangers to me, but in fact are members of my own family. How tired I am of hearing that "we" meaning christians, are to "contend for the faith", and in your definition contend means to fight. Only once in the Bible did our Lord Jesus exert rightoues anger and get physical-"Mark 11:15-17"(KJV) and these verses state that he threw out those who sought to take advantage of the people who had come to truely worship God and offer their sacrifice to him. No where else in the whole of the new testimont does Christ or any other beliver exert this kind of anger or do they "contend" for the faith as you belive.

In your artical, you made the claim that we are to hate the catholics; but if this true then how are we to lead them to salvation through Jesus Christ? Jesus's way of salvation speaks only of love, there is no other way, "John 3:16"(KJV) says For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever beliveth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. In the next verse God goes on to say that he sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved! The word, world is used with a universal meaning; so "world" means everyone!

With that last statement made how can you teach that God has and will place people in perdicaments where they can never be saved? The bible teaches that"God is not willing that any should perish, but all should come to repentence." If God does in fact place people in these so called perdicaments the Bible would be false in saying that God is not willing that any should perish, for the simple truth that if God places somone in a position where they can't be saved, then obviously he is willing that some do perish!

I will stop here for now and let you chew on this for awile, if you have a rebutle then by all means send it; but please try to "rightly divide the word of truth".

From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: Cheryl Hawley
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: a response to the artical you wrote about kieth green

Thank you for your email.

You wrote, ""contend for the faith", and in your definition contend means to fight."

In a Biblical definition contend means to fight. "Contend for the faith" is found in Jude 3 and the Greek word for "contend" does mean to "fight" (see, for example, Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, by Walter Bauer, p. 281, epagovizomai)

Paul speaks of this fight in 1 Timothy 1:18; 6:12 and in 2 Timothy 2:3-4; 4:7. He also speaks more specifically of it in 2 Corinthians 10:3-5:

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

This is what we have done with Keith Green. We have cast down his arguments that have exalted themselves against the knowledge of God.

You wrote, "Only once in the Bible did our Lord Jesus exert rightoues anger and get physical-"Mark 11:15-17"(KJV)

This is not true. He also did so in John 2:13-17. This was near the beginning of His ministry. The event in Mark 11 was near the end of His ministry. His anger, but with no physical violence, is also mentioned in Mark 3:5.

You wrote, "No where else in the whole of the new testimont does Christ or any other beliver exert this kind of anger or do they "contend" for the faith as you belive."

This also is a lie. Christ contends for the faith all over the gospels calling people hypocrites (Matthew 15:7; 16:3; 22:18; 23:13-15; 23-29; Luke 13:15), dogs (Matthew 7:6; 15:26; see also Philippians 3:2; Revelation 22:15), evil (Matthew 7:11; 12:39; Luke 11:13, 29), vipers (Matthew 12:34; 23:33), and even a fox (Luke 13:32). He says "Woe to you" on several occasions (Matthew 11:21; 23:13-29; Luke 6:24; 11:42-52; 22:22).

He also said things that made people very angry (e.g. Luke 4:16-30), because He is the rock of offense (1 Peter 2:6-8); and He Himself cast down beliefs and actions that were against the knowledge of God (as we do, e.g. Matthew 15:3-9).

Moreover, John the Baptist called the people who were coming to him to be baptized a "brood of vipers" (Luke 3:7) and spoke quite harshly to them saying, "Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Peter rebuked Simon saying, "Your money perish with you" (Acts 20). Paul rebuked Elymas the sorcerer saying, "O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil" etc. (Acts 13:10).

We speak no differently. The problem is, you are deceived and the man we have exposed (Ephesians 5:11) as false you have been deceived by, and you reveal your hope is not in God's word; because it is God's word that exposes Mr. Green as wicked, one who is a false teacher.

You wrote, "In your artical, you made the claim that we are to hate the catholics; but if this true then how are we to lead them to salvation through Jesus Christ?"

By loving them and giving them the truth (2 Corinthians 5:11-14).

You wrote, "Jesus's way of salvation speaks only of love,"

This is a lie. Please see for example, Matthew 10:34-35; Luke 14:26; 16:13; Revelation 2:6, 15.

You asked, "With that last statement made how can you teach that God has and will place people in perdicaments where they can never be saved?"

Because that is what God says. See for example, John 12:37-40.

You wrote, "If God does in fact place people in these so called perdicaments the Bible would be false in saying that God is not willing that any should perish,"

God will call you to account for your slander of Him (Matthew 12:36-37). The Bible does clearly teach both (1 Timothy 2:4/Romans 9:11-23) and you are relying on your own understanding to your own destruction in disobedience to Proverbs 3:5-6.

Be warned. You are caught on the broad way to destruction (Matthew 7:13-14; www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html). You are headed for eternal torment (www.atruechurch.info/hell.html). May God have mercy on you.

In the love of Christ,

Darwin

From: "Paul Blankenship" phblankenship@gmail.com
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: Question

Hello. I have a question for you:

In your statement of faith, you state the following:

• "The Lord Jesus Christ created all that exists"
  
• "God is eternally perfect"
  

My question:

One who is with sin is imperfect; therefore, sin, which clearly
exists, is a manifestation of imperfection. If God is perfect, and
created all that exists, then God created sin and imperfection. Do
you agree with this? If not, please explain. Thank you.

"Love or perish"

From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: "Paul Blankenship" phblankenship@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Question

The perfect God (Psalm 18:30) created imperfection (Proverbs 16:4) for the
perfect eternal plan (Psalm 92:5-7).

From: McNamee, Jerry C *HS
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: You are headed straight to HELL

I am not even going to bother going over all of your sin just to say any church that calls it self the "TRUECHURCH" is without any doubt a cult. Instead of pointing fingers at everyone else I would take a good look at you and your false teaching.

You wrote, "any church that calls it self the 'TRUECHURCH' is without any doubt a cult."

Since it is "without any doubt" surely you can give us the Scriptures that teach this? Will you love us and give us these Scriptures? If the Bible really teaches this, we would like to know. If it is just your ungodly opinion (2 Peter 2:2), which we know it is, then it matters not (Psalm 94:11), for we refuse to walk in the counsel of the ungodly (Psalm 1:1-2).

[As of this date, 5-22-05, Jerry has not responded. For more on this "cult" idea, please see Marks of a Cult.]

From: "Keith Cone" keith@funweb.net
To: feedback@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:11 AM
Subject: salvation

Darwin,

Thanks for the form letter.
I read What Must I Do To Be Saved? You are way off base and place works + salvation.

What Must I Do To Be Saved?

Therefore, in order to be saved, you must live for Christ and you must not live for yourself, and you must obey the truth. More works on our part.

One must not only obey the truth, but also love it. out of context, love it.. are you saying love the truth, Bible, Jesus all of the above?
Finally, you must continue to believe, or you'll go to hell What happens if
you get Alzheimer's?
You must believe God, otherwise you make Him a liar. Even Satan believes in God. Satan is the father of lies.
Therefore, we must refrain our tongue from evil another condition for salvation your life must be holy or you will not be saved We are not saved by good works, but we are saved unto good works which is holiness working itself out in our lives as our God and Redeemer is conforming us into the image of His Son.
and we must turn away from evil and do good works? we must be forgiving. yes that is expected and we must forgive but that has nothing to do with Salvation. If somebody is not saved and they forgive people that does cleanse their sin. you must diligently seek wisdom in order to be saved did the thief on the cross have time to seek wisdom or did he already have it?

In your true church how long does it take to be saved? Sounds like this is a life long process for you. No thanks, I am saved the old fashioned way, Gods way. Amen

Sorry, I did not see any we must in the Bible in addition to salvation. The only you must is to believe Jesus paid the price for our sins. If I was to must something else plus salvation then we would not need to have faith in Christ. We would be putting faith in our works.
Salvation is a gift from God. A free gift to us that cost God everything.
Salvation was paid at the cross. Anything WE have to offer salvation wise is filthy rags.

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Amen

John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Romans 10:13 says, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." No extra must here!

From: darwin@atruechurch.info
To: keith@funweb.net
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: salvation

You have a perverted unbiblical view on works.

You wrote, "Therefore, in order to be saved, you must live for Christ and you must not live for yourself, and you must obey the truth. More works on our part."

You turn the grace of God into lewdness and deny Romans 2:6-10 along with a whole host of other Scriptures (e.g. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:5-6; etc.).

You wrote, "One must not only obey the truth, but also love it. out of context, love it.. are you saying love the truth, Bible, Jesus all of the above?"

You claimed it was out of context, but proved it not. Moreover, the truth, the Bible, Jesus, are all one and the same (John 1:1, 14; Hebrews 4:12-13; Revelation 19:13).

You asked, "Finally, you must continue to believe, or you'll go to hell What happens if you get Alzheimer's?"

If you forget God, He will tear you in pieces and there will be none to deliver you (Psalm 50:22). Yes, if you forget God you will go to hell, as it is written:

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17)

You wrote, "Therefore, we must refrain our tongue from evil another condition for salvation"

Yes, a condition God places upon man (Psalm 34:12-16; 1 Peter 3:10-12; Acts 17:30; etc.).

You wrote, "we must be forgiving. yes that is expected and we must forgive but that has nothing to do with Salvation."

You are a liar (1 John 2:4). Christ says it does (Matthew 6:14-15; 18:21-35; Mark 11:25-26). I choose to believe Christ and not liars like you (Matthew 12:36-37).

You asked, "did the thief on the cross have time to seek wisdom or did he already have it?"

He didn't have wisdom (Matthew 27:44), and had little time to gain it, but he did seek it and gained it as He sought Christ, who is wisdom (Luke 23:39-43; 1 Corinthians 1:24).

You asked, "In your true church how long does it take to be saved?"

Long enough to believe God's word (e.g. Romans 4:3).

You wrote, "Sounds like this is a life long process for you."

Yes, it is (1 Corinthians 1:18; Philippians 1:6; Hebrews 2:11; 7:25; 10:14).

"He who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13)

You wrote, "No thanks, I am saved the old fashioned way, Gods way."

You are deceived in this, and you will find out when you die; but I hope God spares you this horrifying surprise. Sadly, at the moment, He has not.

You wrote, "Sorry, I did not see any we must in the Bible in addition to salvation."

It is not in addition, it is salvation, that is, God's way, not yours, as it is written,

"We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God." (Acts 14:22; See also, John 3:7; 4:24; Acts 4:12; 9:6, 16; 10:6; Colossians 3:13; Hebrews 2:1; 4:13; 11:6; 1 John 4:21).

You claim, "The only you must is to believe Jesus paid the price for our sins."

This is your false doctrine. Nowhere does it teach that the only thing someone must do is believe Jesus paid the price for their sins. You cannot give a single Scripture that teaches this. Your false list of essentials is radically short, and you deny Matthew 4:4.

You wrote, "If I was to must something else plus salvation then we would not need to have faith in Christ."

You don't even know Christ, let alone what it is to have faith in Him. Having faith in Christ equals having faith in the Bible, the word of God, because that's who He is; and those who believe obey (e.g. John 14:21-24).

From: "Keith Cone" keith@funweb.net
To: darwin@atruechurch.info
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: hello

Darwin,

Thank you for the reply.
I will research scripture and maybe write back.

Keith

[As of this date, 5-22-05, Keith has not written back.]