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From: Dawn Price [firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:22 AM
I've looked at several pages on your website, and still fail to see why you targeted our church [Guts Church in Tulsa, OK] for your distasteful & inappropriate display on Easter Morning. It's sad that children had to pass you & read your lies about God, Jesus, our church and our pastor just in order to get inside to worship.
I pray that you find some wisdom and humility.
To: Dawn Price
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:33 AM
Thank you for the email.
We are sorry to see you take our love for your souls as distasteful, although we do understand. We were once ourselves deceived as you, caught in the prevailing false Christianity that fills our land.
The reason we were at your church is because we truly believe your church is false and your pastors are false teachers leading everyone who heed them to eternal torment (hell). We don't want you people to end up in hell, so we have warned you.
The way we knew your church is false is by looking on your website and seeing that your church does not obey the word of God. They have a female pastor which is contrary to 1 Timothy 2:11-14 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Jesus said, "He who does not love Me does not keep My words" in John 14:24. We know by this that pastors Bill and Sandy do not love Jesus Christ. They claim to, but they are of the same kind as Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7:21-23.
When we visited your church, we found more ungodliness in it. For example, Pastor Bill spoke of the tithe, which was an Old Testament commandment. It is not a New Testament commandment, but he spoke as if it was. It is not. We could see by this and the way he spoke and asked for people's money that he has one of the marks of a false teacher, as 2 Peter 2:3 warns, "By covetousness they will exploit you" and "they have a heart trained in covetous practices" (2 Peter 2:14).
Also, we heard Mr. Scheer speak against Christ's words in John 7:24; Ephesians 5:11; etc.. We also heard him speak good of the false teacher Joel Osteen. For our report on him, please see www.atruechurch.info/joelosteen.html
Finally, your church has the same deception in it as we describe at www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html. Because of this, they allow for and believe a whole host of false doctrine (e.g. free will, AA [www.atruechurch.info/aa.html], etc.).
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:36 AM
Subject: pure words
Greetings Darwin and company,
In reading through your article, 'Our Hermaneutics', I noticed that you left out one verse that is vital to understanding God's thoughts, and that is Psalms 12:6 - "The words of the LORD [are] pure words, [Like] silver tried in a furnace of earth, Purified seven times."
In light of this verse, do you believe that any given Hebrew or Greek 'God breathed' word can have multiple meanings?
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: pure words
Amen to Psalm 12:6. In the article we do reference Proverbs 30:5 ("Every word of God is pure"). I am not sure what you are getting at with your question. Words can have different meanings depending on their context.
[For example, מָשָׁל (mâshâl) in Daniel 11:4 is a verb meaning "he ruled". In 1 Chronicles 6:74 (in Hebrew 1 Chronicles 6:59) מָשָׁל (mâshâl) is a proper noun of the location of "Mashal". In Proverbs 1:6, 26:7, 9; etc. מָשָׁל (mâshâl) is the noun meaning "proverb". In 1 Kings 4:32 (in Hebrew 1 Kings 5:12) מָשָׁל (mâshâl), even though in the singular form, because of the context it means the plural noun "proverbs".
Another example is בַּר (bar). In Psalm 2:12; Proverbs 31:2 (2x) it's a noun meaning "Son." In Proverbs 14:4 (see also Job 11:4; Psalm 24:4 וּבַר [uvar]) it is an adjective meaning "clean". In Psalm 72:16; Amos 5:11; 8:6 (NKJV "wheat") it is a noun meaning "grain".]
From: Nathan Beck [email@example.com]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:46 AM
I found your site through some youtube vids about fred phelps. Why do you guys point out false preachers? Go preach to them if you disagree with them! Everyone deserves to hear Jesus. Please focus on the love of Christ and not anything else.
To: Nathan Beck
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: why
If we don't expose false teachers as Ephesians 5:11 tells us to do, then we cannot focus on the love of Christ, and we would be rejecting Christ; because the love of Christ is the love of the truth (John 14:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "love of the truth that they might be saved). "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." (1 John 5:3). He has commanded us to "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and to "note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine" (Romans 16:17) and to "contend earnestly for the faith" (Jude 3). "For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth" (2 Corinthians 13:8). We say these things "that you may be saved" (as in John 5:34).
To: Cheryline Chua [firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Shalom
You manifest that you do not follow the Bible, as the Wikipedia article to which you referred exposes your church's beginnings as being spiritually a part of the Satanic Azusa Street Revival in LA.
You further manifest your wickedness in adding to the word of God (Proverbs 30:5-6) by declaring,
"Those who have received the Holy Spirit after praying very hard for Him, will have the manifestation of speaking in tongues"
The Bible never teaches that anywhere. In fact, it teaches the opposite, as it is written, in the rhetorical sense,
"Do all speak with tongues?" (1 Corinthians 14:30)
The obvious answer is no. 1 Corinthians 12:10 says, "to another different kinds of tongues" and verse 11 says, "distributing to each one individually as He wills".
You also manifest your wickedness in thinking the Sabbath Day must be observed, and you fall under the same false gospel of the Galatians, as Paul wrote to them,
"You observe days . . . . I am afraid for you" (Galatians 4:10-11).
You also manifest you reject the explicit command of Christ in Matthew 28:19. 2 John 9 says, "He who transgress and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God". By this we know you and your church do not have God. Thus, you, and all who are in your church, are headed for eternal torment in the lake of fire, where all unbelievers go (Revelation 21:8), because you do not believe the Bible. Instead, you believe the doctrines of men, and you have not received the love of the truth so that you might be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:10).
Finally, the Wikipedia article reveals you "believe in the One True God theology which is similar but still much different from the Oneness Pentecostal view of God."
Anything similar to that demon (false god) is also a demon.
From: timothy warner [email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:58 PM
Subject: article on masturbation
I am 59 yrs old. I am a Christian. I am single. I recently started masturbating after 14 yrs. OF abstinence. Your article interested me greatly. I am exploring if it is possible to masturbate "inChrist ". (Col3:17). I am interested in finding some kiind of Christian fellowship of male masturbators for discuussion, support, true brotherhood Can you suggest anyresources? Thanks, Tim
To: timothy warner
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: article on masturbation
"I am exploring if it is possible to masturbate 'inChrist '. (Col3:17)."
The article answers that question.
"Can you suggest anyresources?"
No, you'll have to handle that yourself. We don't hold such a farcical concept.
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: this generation
I read online where someone claimed that Jesus was a false prophet because of His prediction in Mark 13:30 that "this generation" will by no means pass away until His end times prophesy is fulfilled.
The claim was that "this generation" doesn't mean "that generation"...and they bring up Matthew 11:16, where "this generation" refers to the one at the time Christ's words, not "a future generation".
How would you address such a claim?
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: this generation
Knowing and understanding the book of Revelation is key to understanding prophecy that is yet unfulfilled. Revelation 1:3 even declares a particular blessing upon those who read, hear, and heed "the words of this prophecy". It will, as Proverbs 2:12 says, "deliver you . . . from the man who speaks perverse things". Revelation chapters 6-22 make it very clear those events have not happened yet. Otherwise, we would at least be in Revelation 20 (the 1000 year reign), which we clearly are not (despite what brain dead amillennialists say claiming Satan is presently imprisoned, which is downright stupid). Revelation also reveals the insanity of preterists who claim all prophecy is already fulfilled which is another brain dead stance.
What Jesus addresses in Matthew 24:15-51 is the time of the "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21) which is the same time of Revelation chapters 6-19 (see Revelation 7:14 "great tribulation") of which time there "has not been . . . nor ever shall be" (Matthew 24:21). Revelation well describes this time in detail and culminates with the coming of Christ in Revelation 19 as He destroys the then ruling world power and takes complete control of the earth (binding Satan for 1000 years). Thus Revelation makes it abundantly clear Christ's words in Matthew 24:15f are yet to be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:34, kept in its context, is referring to the generation, the "you", of the prior verse that sees "all these things." Even though Jesus says, "you" in Matthew 24, and the "you" there are the disciples, Peter is a good example of, at least in his case, the "you" did not apply to him. Jesus told him he would die before His return. See John 21:18-23.
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: this generation
So I wonder why, considering exactly what you said, I wonder why people claim that Satan is already bound, or that all prophesy is already fulfilled...seriously, what do they present as their "reasoning". While obviously their reasoning is grossly flawed, have you ever read anything presented as their "evidence"?
On a different subject, when you have a few minutes, what would you say about the church linked below...I once knew some folks who went there.
Just curious as to what you would say about it.
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: this generation
Yes, I have read and you can google and see for yourself. They have to spiritualize a lot of Scripture, and, for example, the passage you asked about, they argue as a key verse to claim it is so.
On that same page they also claim "every person has a tremendous potential for good", which denies a lot of Scripture (e.g. Jeremiah 13:23; Romans 3:9-18; Ephesians 2:1; etc.).
On that same page they also claim salvation cannot be lost, which denies Matthew 18:23-35; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; Hebrews 6:4-8; 10:26-31; etc. (for more, see www.atruechurch.info/security.html).
On that same page they claim, "To be eternally separated from God is Hell". This is a lie. Although they do not list the passage, it usually comes from a perversion of 2 Thessalonians 1:9; "These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord". Yet, Revelation 14:10 describes hell in these words, "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is speaking of the "destruction" coming from "the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power" as in Psalm 68:2 (Genesis 19:24; etc.).
From: "Curious" firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Law of God
I don't understand how the law is not binding, yet we are sinners.
Romans 5:13 "...but sin is not imputed when there is no law."
If there is no law binding me then I cannot sin.
I also would have no need of a saviour.
But Paul says:
Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid:
yea, we establish the law."
Does Paul contradict himself?
Is he talking about more than one thing here?
According to John:
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
From: "Darwin" email@example.com
To: "Curious" firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Law of God
"then I cannot sin"
You missed the wording. It says, "sin is not imputed . . .". It's still sin, it's just not imputed (charged, ελλογειται [ellogeitai], found also only in Philemon 18 "put . . . account") when there is no law.
"I also would have no need of a saviour."
You missed the very next statement: "Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses" (Romans 5:14). In other words, the wages of sin (Romans 6:23) were still in effect. Why? Men have been without excuse from the beginning, as Paul already established in Romans 1:18-32. They were not charged with the law of Moses, but they were charged with knowing the truth and rebelling against it (Romans 1:18-32). As it is written, "For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law" (Romans 2:12).
"we establish the law"
Immediately after that statement in Romans 3:31 Paul speaks of the righteousness of faith. That establishes the law, both confirming "by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified" (Romans 3:20) and fulfilling the law through faith (Romans 8:1-4).
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:21 PM
In Deut 33, the KJV uses a word, "unicorn". Is the "wild ox" in modern versions an accurate translation of this word?
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: unicorn?
The Hebrew noun for unicorn is רְאֵם (re'êm) and it is related to the verb to "rise", רָאֲמָה (râ'amâh, which is only found in Zechariah 14:10, "raised up"). The Septuagint (LXX, Greek translation of the Old Testament) also (like the KJV) translates it "μονοκερωτος" (monokerôtos) "unicorn". In Deuteronomy 33:17 the KJV translates it "horns of the unicorns", but it is actually literally, "horns of the unicorn" (singular "unicorn"). Deuteronomy 33:17 dictates it's not a unicorn, because it has "horns" plural, as opposed to "horn" singular. Other places where it speaks of this animal is Numbers 24:8; Job 39:9-10; Psalm 22:21; 29:6; 92:10; and Isaiah 34:7. I am not certain as to what exactly this animal is.
From: "richard williams" email@example.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: There is no God
If there is a God that would mean an intelligent being made us.Judging from your existence and your intelligence.He probably doesnt exist.
From: "Darwin" firstname.lastname@example.org
To: "richard williams" email@example.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: There is no God
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: 1 Timothy
I read something in 1 Timothy 5 that I was hoping you might help clarify:
In v 22, Paul tells Timothy not to share in other people's sins, and to keep himself pure.
In verse 24, Paul refers again to other people's sins (i.e. "some men's sins").
But between these verses, Paul says something interesting: No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.
Is that relevant to the context of purity and the sins of others or is that inserted in a brief break from the context? And the English term "use" in "use a little wine"...does the Greek support the translation? If so, does the word "use" indicate a practical use, rather than simply consumption (since he doesn't say "drink a little wine"). Again, considering all this, is it somehow related to the context of keeping pure and not sharing in the sins of others, or does it appear to break from the context (as if to insert it in more of a "and while I'm thinking of it" type of thing)?
On a different note, in verse 11, Paul lists righteousness and godliness (among others) as something to be pursued by Timothy...exactly what is the difference between righteousness and godliness?
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: 1 Timothy
1 Timothy 5:23 has an interesting context in light of so many who think drinking alcohol is sin (www.atruechurch.info/alcohol.html). Immediately after Paul says, "keep yourself pure" he tells Timothy to drink a little wine. In other words, keeping himself pure is consistent with drinking a little wine. In light of this, the context is quite significant.
There's nothing special in the Greek in 1 Timothy 5:23. The NKJV translates it well. It should be quite evident Paul is talking about drinking, since he tells him not to drink only water, but use (i.e. drink) a little wine for his stomach and other infirmities. The Greek word for "use" is χρω (chrô) and it means just that - to make use of (e.g. 1 Corinthians 7:21 "use").
Righteousness and godliness are quite synonymous. Righteousness has to do with true faith in God's word (Romans 4:3) and this works (James 2:14-26) right living (righteousness = doing what is right, e.g. Deuteronomy 6:18; 2 Kings 10:30; Proverbs 16:13).
Godliness has to do with true piety (the fear of God, reverence and godly fear, Hebrews 12:28). It is probably best illustrated via the phrase "form of godliness but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:5). False Christians have a "form of godliness". They give an appearance of reverence and fear toward God (piety), but it is false, since they deny its power. What is the power of godliness? The power of true piety, in which truth and righteousness (right living) rules the believer's life (e.g. John 8:31-36; Romans 6:2, 18; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 John 3:6-9; etc.). Via the false Christians claim that lies, deceit, and unrighteousness can prevail within a true believer, in this they deny the power of godliness. It's often done in subtle ways ("secretly bring in", 2 Peter 2:1), like their teaching on suicide (e.g. see www.atruechurch.info/suicide.html) or the bottomline attack on the Truth, the "essentials" (www.atruechurch.info/savednot.html).
From: "Hilary McKinney" firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Online Resources
I have been thinking about these things you address on your website lately. I feel like your website speaks the truth, but I can't find a church or anyone except my husband and mother who agrees with this information. We talked with my husband's pastor last night, and it was a discouraging conversation to me. I feel like everyone is a sleepwalking zombie!!
Here are some sites/videos with likeminded info...
Latter Days Blog
New Age Agenda (part 1-11) on YouTube
From: "Darwin" email@example.com
To: "Hilary McKinney" firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Online Resources
If you are likeminded to them, you are in serious trouble (Proverbs 17:4; John 10:5). They are in no way likeminded to us. For one, they ask for people's money on their home page. Those who ask people for their money want their money. That's called covetousness (2 Peter 2:3; Hebrews 13:5 "be content with such things as you have").
Second, they teach a false Christ. Keith Thompson writes regarding John 14:28,
"The verse is talking about the ascension of Jesus after the crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus will be ascending to heaven soon back to his rightful place and he is telling his disciples to rejoice because he is going back to the Father - in that the Father's current exaltation is greater than Christ's since at that moment he was not glorified but still a lowered servant on earth. The context makes it clear that when Jesus says the Father is "greater" than him it is not in reference to the Father being greater in essence or being. It is in reference to the Father being greater in status and exaltation at that moment in time when Jesus was still lowered as a man on earth." (www.keithtruth.com/the_father_is_greater_than_i.html)
As Thompson denies, this has to do with the very "essence" of who God the Father is and who the Son is (as Thompson wrote, "not in reference to the Father being greater in essence or being"). Thompson denies both the Father and the Son in their very essence and being of who they are, which is antichrist. See 1 John 2:22-23.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).
Malachi 3:6 says, "For I am the Lord, I do not change;"
Long after Christ ascended to heaven, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 11:3, "the head of Christ is God", and speaking of the future Paul wrote, "when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all" (1 Corinthians 15:28). Christ is subject to the Father now (1 Corinthians 11:3) and will be in the future (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). The Father always has been and always will be "above all" (Ephesians 4:6) and that all includes Christ (John 14:28).
Jesus said, "I live because of the Father" (John 6:57). The Father "has granted the Son to have life in Himself" (John 5:26). In John 5:19 Jesus said, "the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do" (see also John 5:30). In John 7:16 Jesus said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me." These are all eternally true.
A little later, after quoting John 17:5, Keith writes,
"It is because as a human Jesus was lower in exaltation or status than the Father ("Father is greater than I"), however the disciples should rejoice because when Jesus ascends into heaven this will no longer be the case."
Scripture never teaches "this will no longer be the case". That is Keith's addition to the Word (Proverbs 30:5-6).
Keith cites Philippians 2:6-8 in an attempt to deny the eternal truth of "Father is greater than I" (John 14:28), but fails to acknowledge (Proverbs 3:6) Christ, as the Son of God in the flesh while He was on the earth, is both equal with God (as John 5:18 explicitly states and John 14:7-11 illustrates), and at the same time the "Father is greater" (John 14:28).
Finally, in his article, "Should Christians Be Concerned About the New World Order?", Thompson writes,
"Much of my material deals with new world order research."
Our material does not, and we are not concerned with it as he is. We already know, "the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19). We know of "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2). In the future the man of sin will come "according to the working of Satan" (2 Thessalonians 2:9) and deceive the whole world (Revelation 13:8). Yet, the whole world is deceived now (2 Corinthians 4:4) and under his sway (1 John 5:19). This is old news and is to be expected, as it is written,
"If you see the oppression of the poor, and the violent perversion of justice and righteousness in a province, do not marvel at the matter; for high official watches over high official, and higher officials are over them." (Ecclesiastes 5:8)
We are more concerned with men like Keith Thompson and his crew (false teachers) that "secretly bring in destructive heresies" (2 Peter 2:1), who "profess to know God, but in works they deny Him" (Titus 1:16), men who "have crept in unnoticed" (Jude 3). These works and workers of darkness need to be exposed (Ephesians 5:11). We feel no need to expose what is already manifest (i.e. the world and their overt wickedness).